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Joined 04-05-2005
Posted on Wednesday, 01 June, 2005 - 09:41 pm:   

THURSDAY 2 JUNE, 7 pm, at St George's Church, Vancouver Rd (Catford Hill end of road). Meet your local Councillors (of all 3 Wards) to discuss matters of local importance - crime and safety, controlled parking zones and the effect of a Retail Park at Bell Green on our local roads and town centres and any other matters of general concern
Joined 19-05-2004
Posted on Wednesday, 01 June, 2005 - 11:05 pm:   

I'm away Thursday, but Pattrembath please pass on my appreciation for the new councillor raising traffic in Honor Oak Road as a problem. Something I harp on about. I'll e-mail him anyway
Joined 04-03-2005
Posted on Friday, 03 June, 2005 - 09:12 am:   

Does anyone have an update on what when on at the forum last night?
Joined 18-03-2005
Posted on Friday, 03 June, 2005 - 01:41 pm:   

There's quite a full report of the meeting on the Sydenham Town website.
Joined 03-06-2005
Posted on Friday, 03 June, 2005 - 03:05 pm:   

And a remarkably similar one here:

I dashed it off last night immediately after the meeting. Someone nicked my pen so it was done from memory. I know a few other people from SE23.COM were there so if anyone wants to know more - or correct my report please post here....
Joined 04-05-2005
Posted on Sunday, 05 June, 2005 - 09:36 am:   

Thanks to Stuart for a very good report on the Forum meeting on Thursday.

It looks very likely that the proposals for the enlarged Retail Park on Phase 2 of the site will be going to the Council's Strategic Planning Committee on Thursday 16th June.

If approved this will mean at the Saturday peak period (with no apologies to anyone's eyes that glaze over where statistics are concerned) there will be an increase in traffic of:

11% on Sydenham Road
13.5% on Perry Rise
9.5% on Southend lane
9.4% on Perry Hill
16.7% on Bell Green
105% on the Spine Road
6.9% on Stanton Way (eastbound)
7.3% on Stanton Way (westbound)

These figures come from the documents supporting this application provided by British Gas' agents.

Free car parking spaces for retail purposes at Bell Green will rise from 1100 currently in the Savacentre car park to 1724 overall - an increase of over 50%.

Trade draw from Catford, Forest Hill and Sydenham Town centres will be £3m annually (again taken from supporting documents).

There was only one voice in favour of this development last Thursday. The majority could see how this Retail Park will radically change our local community, but not for the better.

I would urge anyone who has not already done so to write with their comments/objections to Planning Service, 5th Floor, Laurence House, Catford SE6 4RU as soon as possible. Easier still e-mail
Joined 17-03-2005
Posted on Sunday, 12 June, 2005 - 10:58 pm:   

Dear Baggydave- what exactly did Philip Peake say about the traffic in HOnor Oak Road? Its not in the minutes.

I'd be grateful if you could fill me in.

Joined 20-03-2005
Posted on Monday, 13 June, 2005 - 08:34 pm:   

Thanks to everyone who attended the area forum on 2/6/05. This forum has consistently had the highest attendance of the 6 annual fora in the borough. That evening we had a very interesting presentation on crime reduction, and a lively debate around CPZ consultation, the planning application for Bell Green and the future of Forest Hill Pools. From the top table, myself and Councillor Whiting addressed those and other issues. Regarding the pools,during a meeting today with our new Executive Director of Community Services I have laid the foundation for its consultation process, which follows on from our leisure strategy agreed on 4/05 based on many months of study re leisure facilities and needs across the borough. As to Honor Oak Road, I hope everyone can now observe, and use, the newly constructed and paved path at the London Road end.This is the result of lobbying by the late Peter Dawson and myself to address local safety concerns there. I also have a photo of the path from 1919 and this latest version is a great improvement, apart from the traffic which has obviously increased. To address this, I have been in dialogue with our traffic department for the last few months on behalf of the TLERA, around possible calming measures or refuges. We await further data.
Joined 17-03-2005
Posted on Monday, 13 June, 2005 - 11:06 pm:   

With reference to Cllr Wise's report;
1) I trust a full set of formal minutes will be issued promptly , as opposed to the general trend of issuing them just before the next meeting in around 6 months time. It would be nice to put this on this website amongst other accessible places.
2) As to Honor Oak Road, this new pavement will indeed be gratefully received by local residents and users, however its appearance is only remarkable due to it being so overdue in the first instance. Are we really supposed to be grateful to be finally, after 86 years,given a pavement on a busy London road? And this had to be forthcoming only after Councillor lobbying?
3) I am pleased at the renewed expression of interest in traffic calming measures on this road and surrounding areas given that so many previous approaches on this to councillors by local residents have remained ignored and so much correspondence remains unanswered. What happened to the pedestrian crossing at the Westwood Park junction which received funding? This was intended to improve the safety of local schoolchildren going to and from Horniman Schoold and the Museum. Its never materialised.
Joined 19-05-2004
Posted on Monday, 20 June, 2005 - 12:53 pm:   

Philip Peake included the issue of Honor Oak Road - speeding cars and lack of crossing points - in a recent leaflet that unfortunately has now probably been recycled. There are two schools in the area, the road and pavements are narrow, the traffic fast and the situation not helped by irresponsible parking (and apparent lack of enforcement). It's a nightmare and pleased to see that someone is at least talking about it, but as regards to Councillor Wise's report the new paving, whilst welcome and very overdue, does nothing to resolve most of my issues. And a crossing point near to Westwood Park /Manor Mount is desparately needed.
Joined 19-03-2005
Posted on Tuesday, 21 June, 2005 - 03:57 pm:   

Thanks, baggydave, for your comments. Glad to hear when an issue I'm working on is important to someone.

As well as mentioning the problems on H.O.Rd in the generally distributed Focus, I also raised the issue with Cllr Moore (who's in charge of traffic among other things) in Full Council last month, who didn't seem particularly concerned about it, and have been regularly discussing it with the traffic dept.

I've been recently told that the council is now asking TfL for funds to pay for safety improvements along H.O.Rd. I wouldn't get my hopes up too quickly though - it's very early and no specific improvements have been designed yet.
Joined 07-02-2005
Posted on Tuesday, 21 June, 2005 - 04:16 pm:   

So glad you’re giving attention to the Honor Oak Road crossing situation, Phillip. As a pedestrian, I find it quite hair-raising crossing this road at the Westwood Park/Manor Mount junction (it’s even scarier watching schoolkids hurling themselves into the speeding traffic to get to the other side; but then they do spend hours on their gameboxes, so perhaps they’re better at this sort of thing than me.) The other alarming thing about this junction is the number of drivers who turn left into the one-way Manor Mount – because they’re doing it illegally, they do it at terrific speed too. Chilling to think what might happen if a car was coming up the road, or a person happened to be crossing – it would be much appreciated if you could give this angle your attention too.
Joined 05-04-2003
Posted on Tuesday, 21 June, 2005 - 08:55 pm:   

Cars speeding down Manor Mount illegally has been happening for years. We have pleeded on a number of occasions that this is reviewed and resolved. But no one appears to want to help, it is only a matter of time before someone is seriously injured.
Joined 27-05-2004
Posted on Thursday, 23 June, 2005 - 11:08 am:   

The rise in the road outside Ashberry cottage creates a blind spot going up and down H.O.R. and the lack of pavement on the Westwood Park side next to Hill House is also very dangerous. However, I think that a pedestrian crossing there would also be very dangerous, perhaps better to be past Manor Mount towards London Road? I hate cameras etc. but would be delighted if a camera was placed at the top of Manor Mount to catch drivers going through the No Entry signs. Disgraceful, no excuse! Make it very expensive if neccessary.
Joined 18-04-2005
Posted on Friday, 01 July, 2005 - 03:27 pm:   

I agree about crossing HOR at London Road Junction.
I am a driver and pedestrian
I often walk up to Hornimans. There appears no obvious gap in the lights for pedestrians to cross.
Joined 17-03-2005
Posted on Saturday, 02 July, 2005 - 10:07 am:   

Well, we've all said our piece and many times at that, but hey, its obvious that no-one's listening......

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