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SE23 pub crawl - Saturday

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Joined 19-05-2004
Posted on Wednesday, 09 March, 2005 - 02:27 pm:   

As previously mentioned in other threads. I am not getting into any further discussion on this but all are welcome.
This will do all 14 SE23 pubs and has been well researched and planned, starting points are:

12.00 Outside Moor Park Hotel on Wood Vale (free stout provided)
12.40 The Chandos, Brockley Rise
14.00 Blythe Hill Tavern, Stansted Road

If you attend you may wish to protect your identity, bearing in mind recent discussions which are almost as vitriolic as BBC Radio 5's 606 forum probably for the best,
Joined 08-03-2005
Posted on Wednesday, 09 March, 2005 - 03:01 pm:   

I might be in the Blythe, but pub crawls are against my lazy nature.
Joined 10-01-2005
Posted on Wednesday, 09 March, 2005 - 07:06 pm:   

OK well I think I'll be Newman then!!
Joined 08-01-2003
Posted on Wednesday, 09 March, 2005 - 07:30 pm:   

I'm going to be Kofe Anan
Joined 08-01-2003
Posted on Thursday, 10 March, 2005 - 09:51 am:   

Well i'm working nights sadly! but have a few bevvies on me!
Joined 19-05-2004
Posted on Friday, 11 March, 2005 - 12:50 pm:   

For those of you who need reminding the early schedule is above. For those of you who are new, we are doing all the pubs, good and bad, and there are probably a lot of the latter.

Enjoyed your comment mark
Joined 04-03-2005
Posted on Friday, 11 March, 2005 - 04:52 pm:   

I'm not going to be able to make the pub crawl, however I would love to read pub reviews from those that make it back - our pub circuit at the moment is limited to the Dartmouth with occasionals trips to Question when we're feeling like living on the edge!!
Joined 19-05-2004
Posted on Friday, 11 March, 2005 - 06:03 pm:   

Thanks KK - it's nice to have another positive comment! Perhaps there may be some surprises out there.
Joined 04-03-2005
Posted on Monday, 14 March, 2005 - 11:47 am:   

How did the pub crawl go? You guys weren't heading into the Railway Telegraph at about 16:00? I saw someone looking exactly the way I imagine Baggydave to look leading people in that direction through the perils of the high speed traffic!
Joined 19-05-2004
Posted on Monday, 14 March, 2005 - 12:12 pm:   

Thanks for asking. Yes it probably was us but there was a 50% chance that it wasn't me who was leading the pack. Anyway, after last weeks nonsense half expected someone to try to jump me on the way so I am keeping my identity secret at present so wont describe who I was. But you should have introduced yourself!

Hope that we will put a proper write-up on SE CAMRA and perhaps entries into one or two of the better pub guide web sites particularly This very useful site only has the Blythe Hill Tavern and the Telegraph in it. On the subject of the former, being an Ireland International, this was crammed.

I was in deed pleasantly surprised by some of the pubs at the extremes of our post code. I wont go into details about the other places, except I was followed into the toilet by the Bouncer in Qs (OK I looked a bit worse for wear but not an adict!) and some lad in a baseball cap took exception to me in Bird in the Hand. There is plenty of debate about some of the pubs already, much of which I agree with but perhaps wait for our 'report' before discussing this further. Cheers.

Oh and I did not get round to hassling them about the lack of the bar billiard table at the DA.
Joined 04-03-2005
Posted on Monday, 14 March, 2005 - 04:43 pm:   

Glad you guys had fun. We weren't in the pub just trying to avoid being run over just behind you - I was a little nervous of approaching a stranger and saying "are you Baggydave" that kind of thing can get a girl into trouble you know! Talking of trouble, some guy in a baseball hat in the Bird in the Hand took exception to me last summer so I wouldn't take it personally....

Please post a link somewhere here if you do publish a write up and I'll keep checking back - thanks!
Joined 07-02-2005
Posted on Monday, 14 March, 2005 - 05:35 pm:   

Glad the crawl went off as planned, Dave, and I too look forward to reading the full write-up. I was all set to join your posse for the event. However, once Mr Marcos found out I was off to meet a man named Baggy (he was most suspicious over which part of your anatomy may have necessitated this pseudonym) in front of a pub that may or may not actually exist... Anyway, it would be very useful to know which of se23's pubs serves the best ales. Mr M loves a pint, and I am slowly learning to appreciate the stuff - as long as its served in one of those nice, flutey, lady-sized glasses, of course.
Joined 23-02-2005
Posted on Tuesday, 15 March, 2005 - 08:58 am:   

I was in a similar postition to Kk. There were a bunch of likely looking candidates in the BHT but would be embarrassing to introduce oneself in case of mistaken identity. I assume that one of you was wearing a retro turquoise mohair jumper (yes really).
Joined 19-05-2004
Posted on Tuesday, 15 March, 2005 - 09:40 am:   

I wouldn't call it turquoise! I think that's what the guy in the baseball hat took exception to. Good that you spotted us in the mob, shame that you didn't join us (all of the well wishers) but we'll do the same again some time.
Joined 08-03-2005
Posted on Tuesday, 15 March, 2005 - 10:01 am:   

I woke up in Brixton - in a gutter - and couldn't face the pub. I'll be at the next one though.
Joined 08-01-2003
Posted on Wednesday, 16 March, 2005 - 10:40 am:   

Are you sure the person in the baseball cap wasn't Newman?

Newman was it you, dressin all hip?
Joined 19-05-2004
Posted on Tuesday, 05 April, 2005 - 11:27 pm:   

Review as promised, not written by me and neutral enough not to offend or be taken off the website. I don't necessarily agree with all the comments but the only thing I'll add is what a find the General Napier was.


SE23 is not one of those well known postcodes of London, basically it is an area around Forest Hill somewhere were between South Peckham and West Catford, lovely! It is indeed quite residential and surrounded by green spaces.

At a local party earlier this year, a few local drinkers where commenting on the different pubs that are in the area and had any one visited them all…?
No was the answer, so it was decided that we should try and visit all the public houses in our postal area. In the sober light of day there are 12 public houses in existence and one that has been turned into flats, a challenge!

Saturday March 12th dawned bright, sunny and breezy and we met at the Moore Park Hotel on Wood Vale. A good start but sadly it is no longer in existence (been turned into flats) but that did not stop us from setting up an impromptu bar, a small piece of wood and a bottle of home brew imperial stout! A Moore Park Hotel sign was erected on a large sheet of paper, then a few locals were attempted to be enticed to join in our ad hoc bar, hmm not much success, never mind. Next stop was the Chandos on Brockley Rise, hand pumps but no real ale, so bottles of Mann's Brown were consumed in between football shown on its screen. So not lingering long, it was a quick trip across the road to a good back street pub The General Napier on Bovil Rd. We gently consumed half’s of Greene King IPA in an interestingly laid out pub.

Next stop was The St Germains further down on Brockley Rise, a well-known Irish hostelry and it was very lively with a rugby match being shown on many screens featuring Irelands team. No Hand pumps so Guinness was the natural thing to consume in this friendly atmosphere. Pressing on the next pub that is a Good Beer Guide entry, the Blythe Hill Tavern right on the south circular, yet again the Irish rugby match was being shown. Cheese and onion toasties accompanied more Guinness, but it is one of the best pints for miles. The Blythe Hill Tavern is one of those pubs you can spend all day in and it is well worth a visit, however time was pressing so off to next one, meeting up with another chap who joined the crawl.

Now on our travels in the postal district between the two pubs, we had to pass the front door of the Rutland Arms but not in the district , it gave a a dilemmia well if passing why not go in. A lovely pub with jazz and blues music, it has been in the Good Beer Guide in previous years and still a good selection of hand pump beers were on offer. On to the Prince of Wales Perry Rise for a quick half of Bass and then winding our way in the back streets to Railway Telegraph on the South Circular. It is a good Shepherd Neame pub where we met some additional drinkers for the crawl, a decent pint of Sheps anda bit of a long interlude then round the corner to The Forest Hill Hotel on Stanstead Rd. A pub we had not been to before but a quick half before going on to The Hob. It is a Wychwood brewery pub and sadly no longer any hand pumps but there was a selection of bottled beers, so one quick bottle and it was off to the Weatherspoons accros the road. The Capitol is a converted Grade 2 listed cinema on the south circular, again a longer stay so a pint or two was consumed along with some welcome food. Next stop was an ex Weatherspoons The Bird in Hand on Dartmouth Road a quick half and then off to what was known as the Malt Shovel now renamed as Q’s, where a selection of Belgian bottled beers could be had in a pub serving pizzas and DJ's playing soul music. Tracing our footsteps back, on to the Dartmouth Arms, it now been turned into Gastro pub, but it a welcome sight of a couple of hand pumps including Charles Wells Bombardier.

Under the underpass below the railway and the last pub in the crawl The Forester's Arms on Perry Vale. Recently this pub is having jazz on Saturday nights and a excellent three piece was in full swing as we arrived to sample some Bass on hand pump. By this time it's 10 o'clock, so with all the pubs in se 23 visited, we called it a day. Well two of us decided the better thing to do was to go to the recently announced SE London Pub of the Year The Gowlett in SE15 for an impromptu CAMRA social, but that is another story!

So in all13 pubs of SE 23 were done plus also visits to other pubs. Quite an achievement in an afternoon and evening. It has been useful that all of us have discovered one or two pubs that we haven’t been to before and will return to them in the future.
Joined 28-01-2004
Posted on Friday, 08 April, 2005 - 12:09 am:   

A worthy cause - supporting local business!

I will try the Blythe Hill Tavern.

Joined 17-03-2005
Posted on Friday, 08 April, 2005 - 05:22 pm:   

Will probably be in there tonight.

Fantastic pub.
Joined 28-03-2005
Posted on Saturday, 09 April, 2005 - 10:50 pm:   

Excellent write up, Baggydave.

Unfortunately, I've just read that this months crawl was today.

Hopefully, next time...
Joined 08-03-2005
Posted on Monday, 11 April, 2005 - 03:10 pm:   

The Blythe Hill is ace.
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Posted on Wednesday, 13 April, 2005 - 11:54 am:   

Joined 19-05-2004
Posted on Monday, 25 April, 2005 - 01:28 pm:   

The Railway Telegraph has changed owners, only discernable difference was that they don't have the pay to view footy on. The last owners seem to have done a real good job on making this pub a nice place to visit (despite being the wrong side of the tracks!) - hopefully the new ones will keep it that way
Joined 18-04-2005
Posted on Tuesday, 26 April, 2005 - 01:39 pm:   

I visited the Old Forresters for the first time for over 25 years last week.
Used to be a real dive but very pleasantly surprised. Not that good on real ale front but atmosphere etc excellent. Too be honest cannot recall the new name. Pub is on Perry Vale behind station.
Also tried the new Dartmouth Arms. Food excellent but rather small portions. Beer OK but could be more choice
Anyway vast improvement on the old smoke infested den.
Joined 19-05-2004
Posted on Monday, 09 May, 2005 - 06:13 pm:   

More exciting pub crawl news, following the successful SE23 crawl South East London Camra ( have planned three crawls as part of the Lewisham walking festival ( (

Sunday 15th
14.00 ­15.30 One Tree Hill
Allotments Site Visit
Meet at Honor Oak Park Station Ticket Office
at 14.00 for a 14.15 departure.

Sunday 15th
19.00 -22.30 Lewisham to Catford Pub Crawl with SE London CAMRA
A gentle crawl to visit 4 pubs in Lewisham serving real ale (and non-alcoholic drink ):
The Watch House,
Jordan¹s,London &Rye and The Catford Ram
Meet at 19.00 at the Watch House,High
Street Lewisham
Finish at The Catford Ram,Catford Broadway

Tues 17
Walk 19.00 ­22.00 Blackheath to Deptford via Greenwich Pub Walk with SE London CAMRA
A leisurely walk to visit 3 splendid pub between
Blackheath and Deptford
Walkers can join and leave at points
along the way -join u for the whole 4 mile or catch us en route.
Itinerary is:7.00pm to 7.45pm:
Zero Degree ,29/31 Montpelier Vale,Blackheath,
8.15pm to 9.10pm:Richard I Royal Hill,Greenwich,
9.40pm to close:Dog &Bell,116 Prince St.,Deptford.

Meet outside Zero Degree ,29/31 Montpelier
Vale,Blackheath.Rail:Blackheath (3 min )

Saturday 28 May
Walk 14.00 ­19.00 SE23 Pub Walk from Forest Hill to Crofton Park

A 3 mile walk visiting 5 splendid pubs. Walkers can join and leave at point along the way,or tay for the whole walk.Itinerary is:
2.00pm to 3.00pm:Capitol,London Rd,then
3.10pm to 3.40pm:Railway Telegraph,Stanstead Rd,
4.20pm to 5.00pm:Rutland Arms,Perry Hill,
5.10pm to 6.10pm:Blythe Hill Tavern,Stanstead Rd,
6.40pm to whenever :Mr Lawrence Wine Bar in Brockley Road.
Meet at 2.00pm inside Capitol (Wether poons,
in the non-smoking section)at London Rd
Forest Hill SE23.
Joined 19-05-2004
Posted on Friday, 20 May, 2005 - 12:37 pm:   

Around 20 turned up to the Tuesday's walk/crawl in Greenwich, lamentably nobody saying they'd heard of it from this or the FH site

The walk on Saturday 28 is closer to home and follows some of the Baggy Dave route (and the more discerning of you can miss out the first pub)
Joined 08-05-2005
Posted on Friday, 20 May, 2005 - 08:58 pm:   

Baggy, you seem surprised that nobody on last Tuesday evening’s stroll from Blackheath to the Dog & Bell at Deptford admitted to reading either of our local websites.It’s called protecting one’s anonymity!Hmm,checking the events in the Walking Festival programme again, perhaps I will follow the afternoon guided tour round Nunhead Cemetery on Sunday 28th after all. Or maybe join the circular walk through Sydenham Hill Woods to the Dulwich Toll Gate and back again to the Horniman Café for an ice cream. On the other hand, a glass or two at the Railway and a bit of fresh air on top of Blythe Hill still sounds attractive. Has anyone been before to the Wine Bar in Brockley Road mentioned?
Joined 05-03-2004
Posted on Friday, 20 May, 2005 - 10:40 pm:   

Baggy Dave, can i just enquire is it you that is posting messages on the other forest hill website sorry not allowed to mention their name!!, as it doesn't seem to sound like you???
Joined 24-01-2005
Posted on Saturday, 21 May, 2005 - 07:20 am:   

Of course not, it's just Newman up to his old tricks again.
Joined 19-05-2004
Posted on Saturday, 21 May, 2005 - 11:54 pm:   

Well I was spotted by some of you when we did our first SE23 pubcrawl so that's me out in the open. And there may be people who read these threads, but don't contribute or are not bothered about their anonymity. I suppose I am just being a bit sensitive and need some loving (well done Baggy Dave for being a pillar of the local community). Anyway all I am doing is publising and occasionally turning up.
But intrigued by the stuff on the other web site.
Joined 19-05-2004
Posted on Sunday, 29 May, 2005 - 10:08 pm:   

Good turn out on the Saturday 29th FH/HOP/Crofton Pk crawl - good to see new and interesting people, hope others can make it next time. Expressions of interest welcome.
Joined 19-05-2004
Posted on Thursday, 09 June, 2005 - 12:09 pm:   

Catford Beer (and cider) fest on now at Lewisham Theatre. See

Apparently there will also be free grapes on offer
Joined 29-03-2005
Posted on Thursday, 09 June, 2005 - 05:11 pm:   

Oops not the Catford Beer Festival Again. Last year I had far too many drinks and don't remember walking back along the South Circular, or falling over and hurting my knew and ripping my trousers. The bottle of beer I was carrying was unscathed, in fact I woke up inside my flat still cuddling it. Apparently I also told the misses i loved her. Strong stuff will be peddled again, mark my words.
Joined 19-05-2004
Posted on Tuesday, 09 May, 2006 - 01:39 pm:   

I'm getting rather tired and thirsty after reading the marathon thread on the local authority elections, (Sorry I did not contribute but all I could think was why did somewhat not take the credit for the closing of McDonalds and what were their takes on my difficulties in getting into the Moor Park Tavern). Anyway, back to my thirst and drink so what an excellent time to talk about pubs. Apologies that there was no repeat of the famous 2005 SE23 crawl, of course now somewhat diminished following the closing of the St Germains. There are two crawls as part of the Lewisham walking festival A walk starting Sunday 14th at 19.00 Watch House in Lewisham High Street and the following Thursday, 18.30 at the Brockley Barge. You may also check out where you can give them grief about including wetherspoons pubs as the starting point for both crawls. You can also check out the none alcoholic walks as well, many of which include SE23

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