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ScaredyCat
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| | Posted on Tuesday, 07 September, 2004 - 04:12 pm: | |
Just walking down Brockley Rise today and noticed a yellow police sign saying that there was an attempted murder this month between Ewart Rd and Garthorne Rd? As this is v close by to where I live I wondered if there had been any more news on this as I have seen nothing on local news/papers. Horrible to think so nasty is happening only streets away. |
Bigbravebear.
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| | Posted on Tuesday, 07 September, 2004 - 04:59 pm: | |
Things like that happen absolutely everywhere in London. I would not worry too much if I were you. We've got a similar sign outside mcdonald in FH stating a 40 year old man was recently brutally mugged by 4 kids/teenagers. Before that we had a murder in Colliers wood where we used to live.
Life goes on. I am not saying it is not worrying but we live in a big city, if coming home late try and grab a cab, don't walk round talking on your phone ( especially if brand new)etc etc. |
Les
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| | Posted on Tuesday, 07 September, 2004 - 10:26 pm: | |
The government statistics website
http://neighbourhood.statistics.gov.uk/
is fascinating on this type of stuff. 21 'crimes of violence against the person' per thousand head of population. Very average for London, Lambeth is nearer 30, outer boroughs 15.
My tuppence worth... |
Hilltop General
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| | Posted on Wednesday, 08 September, 2004 - 01:29 pm: | |
Lewisham is one of the lowest for crime of all the inner boroughs; Forest Hill is probably average or quieter for the borough - Lewisham town centre, Deptford and Catford being worst and out Grove Park way the quietest.
Both unpleasant incidents but both would be fairly unremarkable in parts of Lambeth / Southwark / etc |
CR
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| | Posted on Saturday, 11 September, 2004 - 11:16 pm: | |
Is all this talk of statistics going to stop us registering sadness and horror about the incident?
Yes, things could be worse but that's no reason NOT to acknowledge how awful this is for the people affected. Apart from the opening message - all I can see is a collective shrug of the shoulders. Have we become that numb to it all? |
Les
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| | Posted on Sunday, 12 September, 2004 - 02:21 pm: | |
CR - agreed, it's hideous and unacceptable. I guess I look at the stats to convince myself that its unlikely that I will a victim the next time I go out. |
Gilles
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| | Posted on Monday, 13 September, 2004 - 09:28 am: | |
CR: What is the alternative? |
Jim
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| | Posted on Monday, 13 September, 2004 - 09:41 am: | |
CR: I don't think that anyone here has become numb to it all. It's just that incidences like this are a regrettable part of living in a big city. Admitting this is not a sign of indifference, it's being realistic about the situation. |
Gilles.
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| | Posted on Monday, 13 September, 2004 - 12:21 pm: | |
Yes. AND I do believe that shrugging my shoulders is probably healthier in the long run than to wory about it. I will keep on going out, I will keep on coming back home late and I will not let a bunch of thugs rule my life. I can only hope it will never happen to me or you or anyone else. The fact is it WILL happen again. So in my own selfish way I only hope it won't be me. Is this bad? Is this selfish? And most importantly does it have any bearing on what may or may not happen tonight as I walk home? I don't think so.
Yeas I am appalled by all this mindless violence that surrounds us but I will not let it dictate what I will or will not do (within reason). |
Nolan The Hamster
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| | Posted on Monday, 13 September, 2004 - 12:28 pm: | |
http://icsouthlondon.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0500lewisham/tm_objectid=14623984%26method=full%26siteid=50100%26headline=man%2dshot%2din%2dbuttocks-name_page.html |
Hilltop General
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| | Posted on Monday, 13 September, 2004 - 01:15 pm: | |
Sorry, but since when does getting shot in the constitute attempted murder? No doubt it hurt but your man was out of hospital the next day. Plus if it's Op Trident looking into it there's probably some history of "beef" rather than a random event. |
Nolan The Hamster
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| | Posted on Monday, 13 September, 2004 - 01:26 pm: | |
You're right - I feel much safer now... NOT!
I'd imagine the guy was lucky, they shot him in his "" because they missed him while he was running away.
Regardless - IT IS STILL A SHOOTING!!! |
CR
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| | Posted on Monday, 13 September, 2004 - 01:26 pm: | |
Well at least it got you all discussing it in more detail which is what I hoped. |
CR
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| | Posted on Monday, 13 September, 2004 - 01:38 pm: | |
Hilltop, I'm amazed at your response.
Two gunmen open fire and you're virtually dismissing it as a minor incident?
It might not have been a random event as you say, but so what? Gun crime is reaching unacceptable levels in London and passers by often get caught in the cross-fire.
Yes I know what you're all saying about having to just get on with your lives, but what struck me about the initial responses WAS the lack of dismay expressed about it. You go back and read your posts and you can see it for yourself. I don't know what the answer is and we are all reluctant to scaremonger, however I find very sad that we seem to have no choice but to put up with increasingly anti-social levels of behaviour. |
Gilles
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| | Posted on Monday, 13 September, 2004 - 01:49 pm: | |
I agree and it IS very sad and it IS very frustrating but my point was that we can do nothing about it apart from carrying on with our lives. |
Nolan The Hamster
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| | Posted on Monday, 13 September, 2004 - 02:13 pm: | |
I vehemently disagree!!
Contacting your local police station is a start, and asking them where the hell our beat officiers have gone!!! I'll be doing this, although i'm almost certain I'll be fobbed off with the usual 'it's not our fault' guff. Local councillors are the next step - they should be driving the peoples' opinion! |
Daren
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| | Posted on Monday, 13 September, 2004 - 02:18 pm: | |
Agreed - the reason we're in this mess is because the police force and society on the whole are too slack/forgiving to these *. |
CR
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| | Posted on Monday, 13 September, 2004 - 03:48 pm: | |
Well ok then, we all know what to do.
How about we all lobby the council and police to this effect?
I knew some good would come out of this. |
Hilltop General
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| | Posted on Monday, 13 September, 2004 - 04:52 pm: | |
Oh yeah, get the bobbies back on the beat, bring the council to task - "we don't want anybody else getting shot in the bum - not in SE23!" - should totally eliminate this type of problem.
Get real people, it's happened and the police are on to it. That's all there is to it. |
Hilltop General
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| | Posted on Monday, 13 September, 2004 - 04:54 pm: | |
Oh - and gun crime is quite a bit down this year on last. |
CR
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| | Posted on Monday, 13 September, 2004 - 05:48 pm: | |
Ok Hilltop you obviously know best. |
Jon
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| | Posted on Monday, 13 September, 2004 - 08:50 pm: | |
That's a bit rich coming from you. |
Cathy
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| | Posted on Monday, 13 September, 2004 - 11:31 pm: | |
Great, let's turn it into a petty slanging match, that's helpful.
Back to the subject of the thread. |
scaredycat
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| | Posted on Tuesday, 14 September, 2004 - 03:17 pm: | |
Thanks for all the information provided - surprised that it created such diverse response. Personally as someone local to the incident I am still quite shocked by the fact that someone was shot (and it is on the police board as "attempted murder" not my words) so close to my home. I am not naive to what goes on in London and as a matter of fact anywhere, but it still does not excuse mindless violence and that people are able to walk around with guns in their pockets. |
Mixx
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| | Posted on Tuesday, 14 September, 2004 - 11:55 pm: | |
Whats happened to all that money spent on cctv in foresthill? |
Hilltop General
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| | Posted on Wednesday, 15 September, 2004 - 09:13 am: | |
It's not special x-ray CCTV that spots guns in pockets, nor funnily enough is every single residential street covered... |
RJS
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| | Posted on Wednesday, 15 September, 2004 - 10:14 am: | |
Still, It's nice to know who shot you. |
Nolan The Hamster
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| | Posted on Wednesday, 15 September, 2004 - 10:53 am: | |
Hilltop,
generally you've posted constructive comments on the other threads I've seen. You obviously aren't bothered about what happened in this incident, which begs the question - why are you posting to this thread!?!?!??!
Go away if you're not interested! |
Bosco
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| | Posted on Wednesday, 15 September, 2004 - 11:26 am: | |
He's not saying he's not interested, merely pointing out that we do not (yet) live in a totalitarian state and therefore there are not cameras on every single street corner in the land.
He has also, on this thread, tried to inject an element of perspective. It's London, bad things happen. Yes, it's terrible, yes it must be awful for the man who was shot but when you look at the big picture gun crime is generally down and this area is better than many so let's not get in to Daily Mail Armageddon is Coming frenzy. |
Nolan The Hamster
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| | Posted on Wednesday, 15 September, 2004 - 12:53 pm: | |
Perspective is invaluabe if applied with some thought... |
Hilltop General
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| | Posted on Wednesday, 15 September, 2004 - 03:45 pm: | |
Like the thought that this is somehow within the magical powers of the council / local plod / some CCTV cameras to prevent?
Or the thought that complex issues are being met with thoughtless, goofy, Mail-style reactions? |
Local
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| | Posted on Wednesday, 15 September, 2004 - 04:34 pm: | |
What is your problem HillTop General?
Have you nothing better to do with your time than post unhelpful and frankly stupid comments on this discussion forum.
Perhaps you could find a better use of your time. |
Nolan The Hamster
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| | Posted on Wednesday, 15 September, 2004 - 11:50 pm: | |
Hilltop being a £$%@ aside.
Anyway, any councillors have any comments on this? |
calm down dear!
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| | Posted on Thursday, 16 September, 2004 - 01:23 pm: | |
Just a few (seemingly rare) words of support for hilltop:
It's no good everyone whipping themselves into a reactionary frenzy after the event when much of you will baulk at increased council taxes that will provide decent homes, education and opportunities for people growing up in the borough.
The police are fine as they are - we can't expect them to solve the problems of society alone - we need to take some collective responsibilty for there rotten acts and take a long hard look at our priorities - are we just going to firefight or are we going try and take on the causes?
On a lighter note, I'm a recent returnee to FH (I lived here 6 years ago and since all over inc elephant) I am amazed how much it has calmed down in the same period. We should be grateful for what we have - a very nice little community!
Ok - rant over. |
Cathy
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| | Posted on Thursday, 16 September, 2004 - 08:17 pm: | |
I have to disagree, people have concerns, that's not the same as a 'reactionary frenzy'. Do stop exaggerating the response here.
It is a worry - and exactly how are we supposed to take on the causes? - any useful suggestions from you would be welcome.
Stop having a go at people and just accept that we've got a right to express concern. That's what this board is for, amongst other things.
And no, I don't read the Daily Mail either. |
K
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| | Posted on Thursday, 23 September, 2004 - 03:07 pm: | |
I am a police officer and a local resident. The problems experienced by the community in the Forest Hill area are no different than any where else in London. Crimes involving the use of firearms (imitation and real) are common place throughout London. A great deal of work goes on 'behind the scenes'. A person who fires a gun at anyone is committing a very serious offence - let us not play down the pain and fear experienced by the victim in this case or any other - I also disagree that this victim may have in some way deserved this attack - good character or bad no one should be subject of this kind of crime. Let us begin by making people take responsibilty for their actions and stop making excuses. There are many people struggling in difficult circumstances who do not take other people's property at gun point! |
Cathy
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| | Posted on Thursday, 23 September, 2004 - 10:26 pm: | |
Hallo K, thanks for your post and I agree. |
