|Posted on Sunday, 01 July, 2007 - 03:40 pm: |
the circular seats outside the post office sadly seem to attract a number of individuals hell bent on snti-social behaviour i have heard various "horror" stories from local shop keepers about drug dealing and sexual activity going on. i really don't think elderly folk or young families would feel safe sitting in this area therefore it would make sense to remove the seats - whilst one has every sympathy with these individuals on a personal basis their occupancy of this area only increases a general feeling of being unsafe in what is a very important part of forest hill.
|Posted on Sunday, 01 July, 2007 - 04:13 pm: |
So should we abandon the idea of public seating? Clearly not. We need more places for people to congregate, not less. The answer is for the police to tackle the behaviour, not abandon the idea of shared public spaces.
|Posted on Sunday, 01 July, 2007 - 09:31 pm: |
Perhaps you need an alcohol exclusion zone or ASBOs.
|Posted on Monday, 02 July, 2007 - 07:13 am: |
It would be great to have an alcohol free zone in SE 23 excepeted in license premises.
I mainly blame the supermarkets for their cheap alcohol policy.
I agree the seats should not be blamed because some undesirables choose to use them.
|Posted on Monday, 02 July, 2007 - 07:43 am: |
What is needed is for the betting shop or possibly the post office, if we are to lose it, to be converted into a restaurant with seating outside. The existing public seating could still be there, but with a business taking a keen interest in any anti-social behaviour taking place.
Unfortunately, my understanding is that in the past residents of the flats above these shops have objected to the noise that might be generated from a restaurant/cafe and prefer the status quo.
|Posted on Monday, 02 July, 2007 - 08:57 am: |
It makes absolutely no sense to take away the seats. All it means is that the anti social element has got the better of us. ie Tail wagging dog. What needs to be removed are those causing the problems. I don't believe in a total alcohol ban, as that is a rather draconian measure. However, areas likes this should be zoned as quiet zones with zero tolerance. Also the area could do with scrub!
|Posted on Monday, 02 July, 2007 - 01:00 pm: |
There is a lot of useless space outside these units and Dartmouth row needs widening, cropping back the pavement would help more free flowing of traffic particularly when cars are parked up on the other side, or better still add more half an hour bays at a 45 degree angle to the road, so more cars can park nearer the centre avoiding the need to park so far away from the hub of the T junction and also the need to do a U' y when parked at the far end to get back to the centre. Whilst not against the street furniture and 'yoof' hanging around, personally they do not alarm or offend me, I think any such street furniture could be moved more towards the T junction outside the Capitol/Blockbusters or really go the whole hog and demolish the bank and blockbusters (I don't pick on the Capitol, simply because it would be a dream if it was converted to dare I say it - a Cinema? and create a central paved square with a fountain in the middle and a statue of Frederick Horniman. A pipe dream I know, but all in a bid to actually try to make Forest Hill town centre a town centre and a place that people from other local spots bother to visit.
|Posted on Monday, 02 July, 2007 - 01:29 pm: |
Some good ideas here Ana but please don't touch the Barclays Bank....it is one of Forest Hill's most important catalysts for existing and future businesses!!
|Posted on Monday, 02 July, 2007 - 02:18 pm: |
Good points Ana, i think we fundamentally agree that FH needs to be improved. However I don't know what the facination with trying to make a centre around the A205. Very few people enjoy sitting out and enjoying their latte, danish and lung full of carbon dioxide. Also please don't widened Dartmnouth Road, otherwise we'll have two major artuaries dissecting FH, very attractive! Forest Hill should be designed around people not cars!
|Posted on Monday, 02 July, 2007 - 02:42 pm: |
On a roll now - I don't think traffic is a problem if it flows, a Natwest or HSBC on the Macdonalds site will draw more people to the area for sure. In any case I Haven't a scooby (see my glossary on Outside SE23 matters)about road traffic but perhaps a roundabout with a bit of green might be nicer then traffic lights???