|Posted on Tuesday, 12 June, 2007 - 05:05 pm: |
I have commissioned local artist Shemuel Bulgin to design our very own logo and "Welcome to Honor Oak" sign that I have persuaded Lewisham to pay for this, but we are in debate as to whether to say " Welcome to Honor Oak Park or Honor Oak Village "as some have suggested.
The arguments are:
Honor Oak Park is the road not just the parade and we want to distinguish the parade separately.
Honor Oak Park is known, we have all worked hard to establish the name and we have a certain momentum now - Why lose it?
Honor oak Park has a pleasant Green ring to it, we like it, tha's why we live here.
Honor Oak Village is an estate agent's dream - our house prices will go up with it.
It distinguishes the parade from the rest of the road that goes up to the top of the hill. It will give us a separate identity.
It is effected and we appear to be wanna be Dulwich.
In two year's time the pretence will wear out and we will be known as Honor Oak village by existing and all new visitors.
We have a village attitude much more so then many other London strip.
We have no sheep or cows only foxes.
Please let me know what you all think? I shall then go to the council - let's say Monday 18th.
Thanks in advance
|Posted on Tuesday, 12 June, 2007 - 05:33 pm: |
Honor Oak Village is pretentious and embarrassing. Why change the name?
The house prices won't go up because of a signpost.
It is perfectly OK to have the same name - Honor Oak Park - for a parade of shops, a road, a railway station and a wider area. Why should that be a problem?
|Posted on Tuesday, 12 June, 2007 - 05:51 pm: |
well done ana - excellent news. In my opinion, stick to Park.
|Posted on Tuesday, 12 June, 2007 - 07:29 pm: |
I perfer Honor Oak Park, because it is also the station name and I like HOP for short.
Other half prefers Honor Oak Village because the park is further up the hill and does not refer to the parade so it would give the parade it's own identity.
So it is 50/50 here and it does not help.
In any case well done for getting that sorted!
|Posted on Tuesday, 12 June, 2007 - 08:55 pm: |
Is "the park" further up the hill? I thought that was One Tree Hill. Or Honor Oak recreation ground. Or One Tree Hill Allotments (like HOP, the Society has an excellent acronym - OTHAS).
So why not One Tree Hill Village? Or Americanise it to Honor Oak Ville? You see, it's possible to get even more naff than Honor Oak Village!
|Posted on Tuesday, 12 June, 2007 - 09:36 pm: |
Hi Ana and all, This sounds like a great idea, well done Ana for getting Lewisham to pay for new signage. How about simply "Welcome to Honor Oak" or something like "Welcome to Honor Oak Parade" does it need to have park or village in it? although to be honest either of these would be fine too with the right signage.
|Posted on Tuesday, 12 June, 2007 - 11:45 pm: |
Please, not village. That's become a bit of a cliche and Honor Oak Park feels like a complete title and matches the station name and road as has been said.
|Posted on Wednesday, 13 June, 2007 - 08:00 am: |
I like 'Honor Oak Park'. So there.
|Posted on Wednesday, 13 June, 2007 - 09:26 am: |
Actually thinking about it I agree with you Jbird - honor oak park, best just telling it how it is.
|Posted on Wednesday, 13 June, 2007 - 09:39 am: |
This is a great idea although please stick to Honor Oak Park... I agree that Honor Oak Village sounds very pretentious... and also, it isn't a village, doesn't have a village feel, it is a parade of shops/bars/restaurants... so my vote is with HOP... Thanks for organising this Ana.
|Posted on Wednesday, 13 June, 2007 - 09:46 am: |
Another vote for Honor Oak Park - agreeing with a lot of the points above. Village is a bit naff, and probably inaccurate - there was a thing in TimeOut a couple of weeks ago about all of the "villages" in London. Might be interesting to get a historical perspective from someone on the board, tho.
I would also like to add my thanks for your efforts and initiative in organising this, Ana.
|Posted on Wednesday, 13 June, 2007 - 12:28 pm: |
Thanks, Ana. HOP much better than HOV, in my opinion. I grew up in a village and it's really a very different kettle of fish. No shops or bars, for a start! And Park reflects the green spaces that are all around us - One Tree Hill, Rec ground, Blythe Hill Fields.
|Posted on Wednesday, 13 June, 2007 - 12:59 pm: |
Honor Oak and Honor Oak Park are strictly speaking 2 different areas (map here http://tinyurl.com/3xb7m7) - however that's probably somewhat obscure even for locals. Honor Oak Park for me to mirror the station - after all it's the ELL that will improve the area's visibility. I agree that Honor Oak Village is naff - it doesn't convey the pleasing down-to-earthness of the inhabitants.
Hat's off for doing this - the day I can tell someone where I live without having to explain it draws ever nearer.
|Posted on Wednesday, 13 June, 2007 - 03:05 pm: |
Well it looks like our village idiot may need to be re-housed by the end of the week, keep those votes coming in, you have until Sunday night!!!
|Posted on Wednesday, 13 June, 2007 - 03:53 pm: |
Is this (http://www.artshole.co.uk/shemuelbulgin.htm) the artist? Some interesting work here.
Other than the name, can you please share some details on the design of the logo? And how many signs will there be/where exactly will they be put up?
Thanks once again for your efforts on this.
|Posted on Wednesday, 13 June, 2007 - 04:12 pm: |
I will of course keep you informed, let's just get the name finalised, more next week. The logo has had some very positive feedback, we were limited to Lewisham's colours of blue and yellow, but Shemuel has used this to great effect, the logo is original and clear and really stands out, it is an artistic impression of an oak tree and not anything like the image that the Honor oak pub has adopted,the traders are all pleased with it. Once the name is fixed, the sign goes for approval with the council, so I prefer to hold out for the moment.
|Posted on Wednesday, 13 June, 2007 - 04:24 pm: |
I vote for Honor Oak Park.
But I am not sure if voting should be restricted to Honor Oak Park residents only.
|Posted on Thursday, 14 June, 2007 - 11:48 am: |
I like the image the Honor Oak pub has adopted. It's fresh and modern. Looking at the artshole link has just given me the fear.
Maybe we should have paid Wolf Ollins £400k to do our logo, apparently they've just done a brilliant one for the Olympics ;-)
|Posted on Thursday, 14 June, 2007 - 11:59 am: |
Art is subjective I agree, but you need not worry, the sign is in keeping. It is not pop art, Shemuel is a very versatile artist, I have a copy in the bar if you are still sweating!
|Posted on Friday, 15 June, 2007 - 06:45 am: |
Another vote for Honor Oak Park.
|Posted on Monday, 18 June, 2007 - 08:45 am: |
Art is very definitely subjective and whichever design is adopted it will be criticised by someone. I like the simple Oak Tree that The Honor Oak has, but that is now the pub's logo. With that in mind I would be more than happy to see the more contemporary design you have had commissioned at the entrance to the parade.
For the record I would still like to see "Honor Oak Park" on the sign, but both my wife and parents prefer "Honor Oak Village".
|Posted on Monday, 18 June, 2007 - 09:42 am: |
Thank you everybody. I have not only taken your votes but also the traders' views and a lot of my regulars' views and am submitting Honor Oak Park as the preferred signage. There were actually a good few that preferred village, I hope they are not too disappointed, but in the end 'Park' won the vote. Once approved I will display it publicly. Thanks
|Posted on Monday, 18 June, 2007 - 10:00 am: |
I'm surprised you didn't get a suggestion for something like Upper Honor Bottom!
|Posted on Monday, 18 June, 2007 - 11:28 am: |
Ana Oak Park is my favourite, but thanks for your helpful suggestion