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Joined 01-01-2003
Posted on Saturday, 19 May, 2007 - 07:41 pm:   

We have received the following - comments welcome here:


Hi, see you have a forum on the Perry Vale Car Park.

The following may be of interest to your forum, residents, area or maybe not.

The Thurston Road Traveller site in Lewisham is being relocated due to the new Lewisham Town centre development plan. The plan was initially to re-locate to Ladywell. This fell through last October as the council did not follow proper planning procedure. They are now looking at 2 sites, the primary one being the lorry park beside the council offices in Catford, the other an alternative site in Ladywell.

They are undergoing a 'public consultation', there were drop-in sessions at these location during the week. These were not well advertised, virtually no one knew about the Catford one until the day before the drop in session.

The council administation is to recieve in peoples comments by 31st ay 2007 and will put forward their report to the Mayor (June 20th) to decide which site they should proceed to the planning application stage.

Supposedly the whole point of this exercise is to get peoples views on how the proposed changes will affect them.

With the Lawrence House Lorry Park there is a knock on effect in that the lorry park has to be relocated. They are proposing this to be moved to the Perry Vale Car Park. Thus I believe that the views of residents and users of the current car park should also be taken into consideration. However, not sure that this is the Councils view.

You can email your thoughts/views to:

Or send in a letter to:

Michele Lawrence
5th Floor
Laurence House
1 Catford

Please refer to Section 6.12: 643-4446-B4C5-A4E29B67AA9F/0/93b78a434d7a413e98f41 2e5d505aac9Item8TravellersRelocation18April2007.PD F
Joined 17-03-2005
Posted on Saturday, 19 May, 2007 - 10:47 pm:   

Oh dear.
At risk of being called a NIMBY again, I know lorries will need to go somewhere but not sure whether this will be a popular choice. This is sure to conflict with the current users of this area, which includes a number of pedestrians who access the PO sorting office. It also very certainly scuppers any plans to use this site to assist the redevelopment of Forest Hill. It will also likely as not increase heavy duty vehicles into Forest Hill, where the road ie Perry Vale is not particularly wide or capable of handling such traffic.
Joined 30-03-2005
Posted on Sunday, 20 May, 2007 - 12:21 am:   

The lorries will also have difficulty getting into the Forest Hill car park. They often go over the pavement or hit the street furniture/traffic lights at the Catford Road/Canadian Avenue junction and these roads are wider than Perry Vale.

In any event relocating the Travellers site to Catford will be only a temporary measure as the south Circular Road (A205) is supposed to be relocated through the lorry park some time in the future. I have seen surveyors measuring this area. So some work may not be too far off.
Joined 28-06-2006
Posted on Sunday, 20 May, 2007 - 09:13 am:   

I don't like the sound of a lorry park for the obvious reasons, but this also makes me wonder how this will affect current car driving users of the car park and if we can do without the space for them, then have there ever been any suggestions for redeveloping the site into anything else?
Joined 26-04-2006
Posted on Sunday, 20 May, 2007 - 09:33 am:   

And what about pedestrians (remember us?) going to the sorting office? As it is, I find it really dangerous because at the entrance, the pavement virtually disappears so me and buggy have to walk in the road. The traffic is pretty limited at the moment so I don't feel too threatened, but heavy lorries would be a different matter. So, if this project is approved, it would have to be accompanied by improved pedestrian access.
Joined 10-09-2006
Posted on Monday, 21 May, 2007 - 08:59 am:   

I can not even believe that they are thinking about using the Perry Vale Car Park for a lorry park, ok it is not used that much, but it is in a totally different location to the existing lorry park - the access along Perry Vale is not suitable for HGV's especially with the pedestrian traffic coming out of the back of the station.

If this is to go ahead, the Council should be providing a pedestrian crossing on Perry Vale in my opinion as a minimum, after nearly getting run over by a Clarkes coach last week, its already a dangerous place to cross the road, and adding lorries will only make it worse in my opinion.
Joined 04-03-2005
Posted on Monday, 21 May, 2007 - 09:11 am:   

I agree with all of these points and have raised some of them with the local councillors, who have also passed them on to the deputy Mayor.

There is another proposal on the table that would leave the lorry park in Catford, but even with this the existing lorry park will be removed when the South Circular route is changed. No doubt they will again try to locate a lorry park in the middle of Forest Hill so that Catford town centre can be improved. The development of Lewisham and Catford town centres is needed, but neither should have a negative impact on Forest Hill.

A lorry park on this site would not be the end of the world if we get improvements to pedestrian access, a wider entrance, strategic planting to separate the lorry park from the main car park, improved pedestrian crossing on Perry Vale, and a new entrance to the station (DDA compliant) from the Perry Vale car park.
Joined 30-03-2005
Posted on Monday, 21 May, 2007 - 09:35 am:   

I don't think they separate the car park from the lorry park in Catford. People sometimes go back to their cars at night and find them blocked in by lorries. the attitude obviously is: "This a lorry park now. Get out early or stay there all night!"
Joined 29-09-2006
Posted on Monday, 21 May, 2007 - 11:27 am:   

On an environmental note, that's rather close to the primary school. Idle lorries chuck out a large number of particulates.

Do Berkley Homes know about the plan? They may view this as a future hiderance to selling the 'planned' apartments on the Finches site.

Bell Green could be a better alternative.
Joined 04-03-2005
Posted on Monday, 21 May, 2007 - 11:46 am:   

Bell Green makes sense for the space available but it is not so close to the South Circular and the council does not own the land. It would mean large lorries going down the entire length of Perry Vale rather than a small part, not that I like the current ideas.

As far as lorries next to primary schools, when Eliot Bank was closed for the removal of asbestos, we were all bused to Rushey Green everyday, to a nasty old school building right on the south circular and across from the lorry bus and what was a bus garage. The whole site had been demolished and replaced with a wonderful drive through McDs. Certainly 20 years ago nobody cared about particulates near schools, although I guess it is better than asbestos.
Joined 18-04-2005
Posted on Monday, 21 May, 2007 - 12:57 pm:   

What a terrible idea. I operate in the transport industry and lorries should wait outside the warehouse they are going to deliver to the next morning. Any other trucks should be in their depots.
Forest Hill has zero industry and little commerce so I agree cannot see any need for a lorry park in the area.
Also what is the current law please about parking trucks of all sizes on the side of the road. I have noticed a big increase recently in Devonshire Rd.
Joined 12-12-2006
Posted on Monday, 21 May, 2007 - 01:29 pm:   

The old Perry Vale side station booking office was located in this car park,
providing easy and level access to the south bound platform.
And the underpass used to have a ramp instead of these 24(?) steps you see mums struggling to get their prams up everyday.
Progress eh?

Clearly they want to build on the Perry Vale car park, just like they have on the West side. The lorry park will be an intermediate step. After the cars have been muscled out, the builders will move in.
Joined 18-04-2005
Posted on Monday, 21 May, 2007 - 01:58 pm:   

Also I remember the sidings there. Bring back the middle platform.

Why this fixation with building on every spare inch of land in SE 23. The area is overpopulated already. More houses will encourage more people . To do what there is no industry or little commere in SE 23.

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