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Joined 24-11-2006
Posted on Wednesday, 25 April, 2007 - 10:25 am:   

Does anyone know what further changes are being implemented on Honor Oak Park down from the Old Bank? It appears "they" are putting in new pathways, changing the location of the lower zebra crossing and have taken away the flower bed across the road from the station. Are we getting a new flowerbed against the wall instead? If so, have the council considered making this the location of the HOP Christmas tree? Are the plans changing the traffic calming gates near Old Bank and the access for cyclists?
Joined 11-01-2007
Posted on Wednesday, 25 April, 2007 - 04:55 pm:   

Also intrigued by this myself. The work seems to have involved raising the road at the junction of Grierson Road and Honor Oak Park to the same level as the footpath (is this traffic calming? I can't imagine anyone was really hurtling round the corner - effectively blind as it is - before) and now the concrete flowerbed has been removed.

Is there any trace of the plans on the Lewisham Council website? I searched in vain earlier. Failing that, does anyone have any idea of the intention behind this piece of work?
Joined 28-03-2005
Posted on Wednesday, 25 April, 2007 - 06:08 pm:   

Being a miserable old pessimist, I doubt we'll get the flower bed back.LBL seems to have a prejudice against street greenery judging by the number of street trees we've lost in the area - in direct contrast to the comprehensive tree planting on the way down to the "Clockhouse" courtesy of Southwark. Come on Lewisham, let's have some greening please.
Joined 09-04-2005
Posted on Wednesday, 25 April, 2007 - 10:14 pm:   

I think "raising the road" should be interpreted as "raising the footpath". This design is pedestrian friendly (especially for buggies, wheelchairs etc.) and creates a pedestrian priority. So if no one is hurtling round the corner it is a much nicer way to cross the road. Be even nicer with a flowerbed though.
Joined 24-11-2006
Posted on Tuesday, 01 May, 2007 - 12:06 pm:   

It looks like the previous flowerbed has been paved over. That flowerbed created a lovely villagey feel as you left HOP station. Now we just have more paving. Also, I thought there was a consensus that paving should be kept to a minimum, as bare soil/green surfaces help absorb rainfall rather than it being washed quickly into our very old drains. Isn't that why they say too much paving contributes to the possibility of London getting flooded? Thanks Lewisham. What about creating a flowerbed where the 'old' footpath was? (ie beside where our flowerbed used to be). Is my suggestion too late? Can any of our councillors step in here and keep the colour in HOP?
Joined 28-03-2005
Posted on Tuesday, 01 May, 2007 - 08:50 pm:   

Good point Lola. I thought I was going cranky worrying about the removal of street trees and flower beds. I notice that where a new expanse of pavement was installed on Stondon Park near the Brockley Jack, lo and behold hectares of tarmac. There could easily be three trees in that space with no effect on traffic sightlines. LBL seems a typical modern council - makes warm noises about the environment but doesn't follow it up with action. Come on Lewisham follow Southwark's example - re-forest the Hill!
Joined 24-11-2006
Posted on Wednesday, 02 May, 2007 - 12:31 pm:   

Come on SE23 councillors! Usually you are very vigilant on this forum. Why the silence? Are you able to help restore our little flowerbed in HOP??? One of the perks of HOP is that it is so green. Why is that perk being reduced?
Joined 11-01-2007
Posted on Wednesday, 02 May, 2007 - 01:19 pm:   

Agreed - I think some input from our local council representatives would be great.

To repeat the question I asked above, was there any consultation/notice on the work that is being done?

I can see the benefit in raising the road to allow wheelchair users and buggies etc to more easily make their way around, but surely the removal of the flowerbed is unnecessary and unwelcome?
Joined 09-02-2007
Posted on Wednesday, 02 May, 2007 - 04:24 pm:   

Is there a council policy with regards to flowers and trees in se23? Two trees were cut down on my street last week, I'm sure for good reason, but is there a policy to replace trees cut down in this way? If not, shouldn't there be? Sorry for the loss of your flowerbed, everyone. I think that one of the reasons SE23 is great is the amount of greenness in the area. None of it should be lost wherever possible.
Joined 04-03-2005
Posted on Wednesday, 02 May, 2007 - 04:53 pm:   

I should admit that I am not so familiar with this stretch of road but I do not see any significant proposals on the plan for Honor Oak Park traffic calming. Is it clear from this diagram? .pdf

If not then it may be considered a separate scheme or possibly a mistake to remove all the flowers.

I should point out that Honor Oak Park on the east of the railway is in Crofton Park ward, not Forest Hill. So although it is in SE23, I am not sure if our ward councillors are allowed to comment.

Of course the mayor of Lewisham covers all wards and you can ask him any questions relating to Lewisham council at the Forest Hill Society meeting next week - speak-to-forest-hill-society.html

Sorry for the blatant plug!
Joined 11-01-2007
Posted on Wednesday, 02 May, 2007 - 06:14 pm:   

Thanks Michael,

I think this scheme is the same one with information on the Lewisham Council site at B23-4DC2-A586-18E0FFF47B78/0/HonorOakNewsletter.pd f - which covers the area from Devonshire Road up the hill - not where the flowerbed was. Would be nice to know if anyone was consulted before the work started/money was spent.
Joined 24-11-2006
Posted on Wednesday, 02 May, 2007 - 06:48 pm:   

Actually Dave, the plan which you attached does show the flowerbed. It is on the south-west corner of the junction of Grierson road and Honor Oak Park (i.e. just across the road from the Old Bank restaurant). The plan shows it as an empty triangle. However this plan does not show an intention to remove the flowerbed.
Joined 08-05-2007
Posted on Wednesday, 09 May, 2007 - 09:07 am:   

I have to say that I walk down Honor Oak Park every day and I think that the new pavements etc look very good. It shows that the balance is going the way of the pedestrian not the car, which has to be a good thing. More flower beds would be welcome. I think they should consider commissioning some sort of work of art fro out side the station to act as a focal point for the Commumunity.
Joined 24-11-2006
Posted on Friday, 11 May, 2007 - 10:11 am:   

I didn't get a chance to go to the FHS meeting last night to ask Steve Bullock about my beloved flowerbed that I keep rabbiting on about. Were the HOP roadworks mentioned/discussed? What did Mr B have to say for himself?
Joined 12-02-2007
Posted on Tuesday, 22 May, 2007 - 05:12 pm:   

Does anyone know why Wyleu street - the last road off of the parade by the lights has been left out of the new road works? Or is this planned to happen next? Seems a bit strange for the whole appearance of HOP.
Joined 04-02-2007
Posted on Tuesday, 22 May, 2007 - 09:58 pm:   

yes Broadbeanster that is strange it would look better if it was done too - What is also odd is the move of the bus stop at the top of Wyleu Street and the zebra crossing by a matter of yards, I am alone in thinking this seems a bit of a waste of money that could have been better used to improve the parade? If anything I think the zebra right outside the station is a little dangerous as there is a blind spot when cars come round that corner from the hill.

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