Could I just deal with the issue raise by junegapi above about whether ELL trains are likely to suffer from overcrowding.

June says that "there will be 8 trains an hour travelling in each direction through NXG. Each train will have 4 carriages. I don't see a problem of overcrowding on these trains".

If the TfL assessment of about one third extra passengers after 2010 is correct this would mean between 6,000 - 6,500 extra passengers using the line each morning (and the same number in the evening) from the 7 stations stretching from Anerley to NXG.

Doesn't sound like that many extra people until you realise that to shift 6,500 people you would need around 16 ELL trains (two full hours worth of trains!) just to cope with the increase - and this is assuming 400 people per train (not the maximum 600+ but still very, very crowded). We are talking about just "the increase" here, we are not allowing for current LB passengers mving to the ELL.

If you add to that a crazy campaign to invite large number of commuters from East Croydon and Surrey onto the ELL, you have a plan which spell very very bad news for local rail passengers.