Good grief,EX FH Pat, chill out - this heat really does seem to be getting you hot under the collar.

1. All politicians lie - it's almost part of the job description. They promise you nice things to get you to vote for them and then the practicalities catch up with them and they have to backpedal. It's not new to the Tories, the Labour party have been doing for the last 10 plus years.

2. Why go to the lengths of having your profile removed? If it upsets you so much, just stop visiting the site. Are you paranoid that we'll extract the proverbial in your absence?

3. Ghis (and I don't know why you insist on putting her all in shouty caps) seems to me to make very reasonable points.

4. I think that HOP'ers generally would agree (no doubt they will correct me with some vigour if they do no) that they are those living in the roads in the street grids to the north and south of the road called Honor Oak Park between the station and the traffic lights. North up until the church, or maybe as far as Brockley Jack, south also perhaps as far as the church. East of Brockley Rise/Stondon Road is more nebulous - they may call themselves Blythe Hillers or Crofton Parkers, but they are ALL still within SE23. As for me, I reckon I'm an Honor Oaker (no park) as I live west of the station.