Whilst I may not see eye-to-eye with some of the contributors to this thread, I do defend their right to make their point (even if some appear a little too forceful).
I do not think that this thread, or this site, should become a Baboon-baiting exercise (surely that was made illegal along with everything else?).
I suspect, as even Baboonery mentioned earlier, that we have taken this as far as it will go. I also think that this thread has thrown up (!) the fact that in reality the issues are nothing to do with pubs but with proper parenting and generally better consideration for others. Maybe that could be a separate, and hopefully more dispassionate, discussion?