wow! just read this thread from start to finish. I feel like I've been beaten up!
Admin, cant you install some sort of 'spluttering rage' meter to limit the levels of baboonery's ire?! I worry about him expiring at his keyboard.
the perfect example of why internet forums are not the best way to try and get a point across. people quote selectively, ignore other bits of what you are trying to say, and just sound off.
I have three children, we often go in pubs (used to prefer the gardens, now they are too smoky!). I dont think I'll try any of the local ones for a while - Baboonery might be there!
(only joking Babs, I sympathise with some of what you say)