I've got kids (my word, selfish you BD?), I like old mens pubs (as the whole of SE23 knows). Those that don't let kids in are fine, as I can have a proper adult drink there. Those that do, also fine, as my kids will be reasonably well behaved, and usually they will be in a minority.

If I want them to run around and go crazy, we can go to somewhere bland like the Grove (aka Harvester) or a myriad of similar places out in Kent, with ball parks and play areas. Acutually I hate these place so much I'd rather go to the park with a few cans of special brew. (Actually I am fibbing about the special brew (do I need to explain), but nice to have the odd picnic, particularly in the Horniman Gardens)

And there is the Dulwich Woodhouse for the summer. Which turning the whole argument around is very two faced in that they make most of their money out of families yet can't let one diddy part of their bar allow kids, for example on a nice winters day when we have been for a walk in the woods. So we sit outside in the cold.