I have given up on this debate, which eventually comes up in any thread that talks about pubs. There are some people that just hate kids. No matter what the behaviour. You know what. I drank and ate in pubs when I was childless and I eat and drink in pubs now that I have a child. I have, on occasion frequented (in no particular order, or frequency) The Capital, the Dartmouth Arms, the Honor Oak, the Perry Hill, the Bird in Hand, Question, Prince of Wales and the Railway Tavern. I have on occasion seen children in these establishments, I have even (GOD FORBID!) heard them. But I have never had any child distrupt my own enjoyment of any establishment. I have a feeling that this is not because I have never visted a pub with unrurley children, but because I do not hate children.

Grow up. The same people the lamanet the demise of the local pub tend to be the same people who cry "ohhhh, but there were kids in there! boo hoo hoo". Pubs will close if they don't make money. And loney old men drinking cheap lager sitting in a pool of their own urine does not signal a successful pub.

Rant over. take your shots!