Michael, you don't appear to have read my earlier posting. In deed the Hofhaus on Ringmore Rise is architecturally interesting. But it also represents many things I find wrong about developers and the planning process in Lewisham. It is too close to the downhill neighbours. They have constructed a retaining wall that is ugly and a blight on the downhill neighbours. And before you ask, unlike the yet to be built turret, and the unfinished 30s glass house on Ringmore Rise, the Hofhaus cannot be seen from my property. I believe that there is a 'me first' generation moving to SE23. None of this is aimed at Jeff by the way who appears to be genuinely interested by the impact on neighbours.

Nice post Vintagem by the way. I always support members being controversial and stirring things up. I've been doing it for years, but you have to be around to answer.

Celtic Explorer, SE23 is not just Forest Hilll. One could argue that HOP is becoming far more boheniam and certainly does not have the mass of empty or ever changing shops that FH has.