How about adopting an evidence-based approach to this subject? Those who find themsleves outraged by the actions of children (or the inaction of their parents) should note on this board what has happened, where it has happened and when. Thus they will build up a picture of the watering holes at which they are most at risk and so make a better informed judgement about whether they can have a quiet lunch or not in any particular place at any particular time. It would also allow parents who take their children to the highlighted venues to take note (and choose either to exercise more rigorous control or, indeed, deliberately do the opposite). Anyway this might move us away from the rather random bile-throwing exercise this thread seems to have become.