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Dan on the Hill


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30-04-2009 05:40 PM

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Dan - you've got a view on local house prices that you clearly believe in. I think you are talking nonsense and that your simplistic analysis based on debt as a driver of prices is fatally one-sided and ignores the major factor of supply and demand. Even in a market such as the USA, where supply in most areas wildly exceeds demand, house prices have only fallen by 30 per cent from their peak in 2006. Demand simply hasn't disappeared from the London house market, as the rush to get 90% mortgages when they appear, shows.

But hey - why not back up your view by wagering ?100?

If, by 31 December 2010, property prices in SE23 have fallen by 50% from the Winter 2007 peak I will pay you ?100; if you are wrong you pay me ?100. I am sure that we can ask Admin to act as referee on this issue.

What say you? If you are as clearly confident of your views as you claim,this should be easy money.


When you say a simplistic analysis bear in mind I?m trying to get across a point in a few lines. If you want to go into detail feel free. I would feel happy to have the conversation with you at whatever level you like.

Perhaps you could start by explaining why you think house prices doubled in 7 years?

In my belief its because the money supply has grown at an unsustainable rate, take a look at M4 in this BoE report: (page 9)
http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/publicati...r09feb.pdf
Is one of any number of BoE reports that show you expansion in Broad money. Notice how the period of rapidly expanding M4 also relates to the period which house prices doubled. I have to ask where did you think all this extra money was going? Were people somehow removing this extra money from the economy by withdrawing cash and burning it? Well actually I know they didn?t do that because we don?t see a corresponding spike in M0. I argue, that the extra money bided up the factors of production, principally land, although also certain wages mainly in the City and public sector spending.

I get to the figures I mention simply by assuming a trend rate across those years and looking at the figures (you can do this by downloading the BoE spreadsheets and putting in your own numbers)

I?m not sure what you consider to be one sided about that, in fact I just don?t understand your point? People have always bought and sold houses to each other, it?s just that in the last 10 years people thought they could get rich doing so. So please explain how prices got so high and I can counter no doubt.

Regards a bet I believe this can be done on betfair. I will investigate the options and get back to you. I?m not prepared to specify an exact percentage amount of fall on a given date as of course there is a far higher likelyhood of variance. But what about that average house prices as quoted by the land registry and expressed through the BBC webpage being a lower figure on 31st of December 2010 than at 30 April 2009. Which for the avoidance of doubt is currently ?205,372: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/in...houses.stm

Or if you prefer a large wager we could use a local solicitor to hold an amount in a custodian account. I would prefer in some sort of interest bearing national saving vehicle such as premium bonds, or index linked bonds.

No doubt your want me to commit to an absolute 50% fall on a fix date, that could easily be missed even if I am right ultimately but wrong on my timing. But on a simple even money prices going up or down in 20 months from today for ?100 I have no objection.
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House Prices - Gep - 14-06-2008, 09:18 AM
RE: House prices - nevermodern - 14-06-2008, 10:14 AM
RE: House prices - Snazy - 14-06-2008, 10:17 AM
RE: House prices - PVP - 14-06-2008, 12:23 PM
RE: House prices - brian - 14-06-2008, 01:21 PM
RE: House prices - blushingsnail - 14-06-2008, 09:57 PM
RE: House prices - PVP - 16-06-2008, 09:22 AM
RE: House prices - michael - 16-06-2008, 10:29 AM
RE: House prices - CAW - 16-06-2008, 03:08 PM
RE: House prices - nevermodern - 16-06-2008, 03:31 PM
RE: House prices - reverendlionelblair - 19-06-2008, 10:10 PM
RE: House prices - brian - 20-06-2008, 08:06 AM
RE: House prices - shzl400 - 20-06-2008, 09:50 AM
RE: House prices - CAW - 20-06-2008, 10:36 AM
RE: House prices - mambo66 - 23-06-2008, 11:05 PM
RE: House prices - davidl - 23-06-2008, 11:17 PM
RE: House prices - Forester - 24-06-2008, 08:29 AM
RE: House prices - Londondrz - 24-06-2008, 09:04 AM
RE: House prices - CAW - 24-06-2008, 11:02 AM
RE: House prices - michael - 24-06-2008, 11:39 AM
RE: House prices - brian - 24-06-2008, 11:50 AM
RE: House prices - CAW - 24-06-2008, 11:54 AM
RE: House prices - brian - 24-06-2008, 12:18 PM
RE: House prices - CAW - 24-06-2008, 12:23 PM
RE: House prices - Elizabeth25 - 24-06-2008, 01:14 PM
RE: House prices - CAW - 24-06-2008, 01:16 PM
RE: House prices - brian - 25-06-2008, 05:34 PM
RE: House prices - Dommy - 26-06-2008, 03:01 PM
RE: House prices - Elizabeth25 - 26-06-2008, 03:37 PM
RE: House prices - brian - 26-06-2008, 04:00 PM
RE: House prices - Dommy - 27-06-2008, 12:24 PM
RE: House prices - alisa - 27-06-2008, 12:31 PM
RE: House prices - gingernuts - 27-06-2008, 12:32 PM
RE: House prices - brian - 27-06-2008, 12:59 PM
RE: House prices - michael - 27-06-2008, 02:19 PM
RE: House prices - Simon - 27-06-2008, 02:54 PM
RE: House prices - brian - 27-06-2008, 03:57 PM
RE: SE23 House Prices - admin - 24-04-2009, 02:47 PM
RE: SE23 House Prices - mambo66 - 24-04-2009, 10:53 PM
RE: SE23 House Prices - brian - 25-04-2009, 08:00 AM
RE: SE23 House Prices - Bonnie Blue - 25-04-2009, 04:37 PM
RE: SE23 House Prices - brian - 25-04-2009, 06:32 PM
RE: SE23 House Prices - gingernuts - 27-04-2009, 09:39 AM
RE: SE23 House Prices - roz - 27-04-2009, 10:27 AM
RE: SE23 House Prices - PVP - 27-04-2009, 10:34 AM
RE: SE23 House Prices - Dan on the Hill - 30-04-2009, 02:59 PM
RE: SE23 House Prices - Bonnie Blue - 30-04-2009, 03:20 PM
RE: SE23 House Prices - Londondrz - 30-04-2009, 03:37 PM
RE: SE23 House Prices - Dan on the Hill - 30-04-2009, 03:55 PM
RE: SE23 House Prices - Dan on the Hill - 30-04-2009, 04:01 PM
RE: SE23 House Prices - nasaroc - 30-04-2009, 04:13 PM
RE: SE23 House Prices - Londondrz - 30-04-2009, 04:16 PM
RE: SE23 House Prices - Londondrz - 30-04-2009, 04:17 PM
RE: SE23 House Prices - Bonnie Blue - 30-04-2009, 04:35 PM
RE: SE23 House Prices - brian - 30-04-2009, 04:55 PM
RE: SE23 House Prices - nasaroc - 30-04-2009, 05:16 PM
RE: SE23 House Prices - Bonnie Blue - 30-04-2009, 05:34 PM
RE: SE23 House Prices - Dan on the Hill - 30-04-2009 05:40 PM
RE: House Prices - Baboonery - 30-04-2009, 06:16 PM
RE: House Prices - Dan on the Hill - 30-04-2009, 06:24 PM
RE: House Prices - mambo66 - 30-04-2009, 10:33 PM
RE: House Prices - mambo66 - 30-04-2009, 10:50 PM
RE: House Prices - nasaroc - 01-05-2009, 10:12 AM
RE: House Prices - Londondrz - 01-05-2009, 10:13 AM
RE: House Prices - Dan on the Hill - 01-05-2009, 10:27 AM
RE: House Prices - Dan on the Hill - 01-05-2009, 11:07 AM
RE: House Prices - Cidered - 01-05-2009, 12:23 PM
RE: House Prices - Bonnie Blue - 01-05-2009, 02:42 PM
RE: House Prices - michael - 01-05-2009, 02:44 PM
RE: House Prices - brian - 01-05-2009, 03:05 PM
RE: House Prices - michael - 01-05-2009, 03:57 PM
RE: House Prices - brian - 01-05-2009, 07:29 PM
RE: House Prices - Tersie - 03-05-2009, 12:14 PM

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