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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Pool pragmatism
| This is a discussion of what people would like to see on the new site, following Lewishams decision in February to demolish and build completely new facilities from scratch. If you are not interested ... |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Pool pragmatism
| PS ; You might need to enlighten me as I can't recall this- was the original Ladywell Pool demolition issue/school replacement site agreed by the Cabinet as a formal decision and supported by local c... |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: Forest Hill Pools
| [[i]Continuation of [url=http://www.se23.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=120]the earlier thread[/url], where the Last Post details are stuck at 23rd March 2008 -admin[/i]]
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Pool pragmatism
| Sorry, I have to say I'm really lost now. Everyone is talking as if the decision is still up for discussion or negotiation. The Council are clear that it isn't and a decision has been made. And yes, t... |
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21-03-2008, 10:46 AM |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Pool pragmatism
| There are local concerns either way. The more Vocal Locals, for want of a better term, are keen to see the building retained in all or in part. These Vocal Locals are usually well equipped to get thei... |
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22-03-2008, 10:42 AM |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| Yes fantastic. Lets festoon the area with loads more clapped out redundant buildings. There can never be enough of them.
The Thames is good enough to swim in, isn't it- what more can we want.
I do... |
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20-08-2008, 08:26 PM |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| http://www.eppingforestdc.gov.uk/Library/files/planning/dcms_how_appeal_against_listing.pdf
Here's a start! I know we're not in Epping but the attached appears to be a standard advice note from th... |
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20-08-2008, 08:38 PM |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| But at least we have yet another (empty and derelict) listed building in Forest Hill to gaze upon for the next few years..... |
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28-08-2008, 09:21 AM |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| Re ''STGOFH - the Movie; almost clicked on ' Crystal Palace Park- walking with dinosaurs' by mistake. I wonder why.
But then I've often clicked on the thread ' Crime Map of Forest Hill ' accidental... |
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29-08-2008, 07:27 PM |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| Ultimately, the action taken to have Louise House listed by the 19th Century Society has its roots in vexation not pragmatism. It was a very sad day indeed.
This matter has clearly become a ' class ... |
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24-08-2008, 11:20 AM |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| A side issue perhaps but I see it as quite unfortunate that the Syd Soc and its member seems to have so much influence over Forest Hill matters, particularly now that Forest Hill has an amenity societ... |
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24-08-2008, 01:37 PM |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| Here are some facts!
Some influential senior/committee members of a local amenity society, who are and have been actively being consulted by the Council on the best way forward on the Pools as part... |
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24-08-2008, 02:28 PM |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| Just noticed today that on the Pools external notice board, amidst the Face Off Forest Hill notices and some very nice pictures of Milton Keynes, there is also an A4 typed letter referring to the camp... |
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31-08-2008, 07:48 PM |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| I have just spoken to someone called Philip Seeley in the Designation Dept of EH. Apparently a member of the public wrote to EH on 1st March in respect of this asking for urgent consideration of Louis... |
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28-08-2008, 09:58 AM |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| It would appear that the pools themselves were considered for listing but were refused so thankfully I suspect that this matter will not go any further regardless of any such petition. |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| I did actually mean ' unremarkable' building in my first paragraph!... |
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07-09-2008, 10:39 AM |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| I wonder what planet some people are on.
I wonder if people know how much facade retention can add to the cost of any project and how much it can severely restrict what you can get on a site, and th... |
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07-09-2008, 10:15 AM |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| I'm glad that things are moving on however find it a little rich for some to cajole the council for delays when a major factor in same was the disruption of the due process by the listing of Louise H... |
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05-02-2009, 10:57 AM |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| Trying to take a step back from my passionate view about the impact about the listing of Louise House on the pools, and whilst I would love to see a pool on this site once again, I am not sure what vi... |
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15-03-2009, 12:02 PM |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| I've also spoken to a number of businesses in Dartmouth Road who are livid that the building was listed in the first place, thus causing considerable problems and delays with the site development and ... |
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04-03-2009, 12:12 PM |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| [align=justify]Good points well made, Satchers! I don't BTW think you're unrepresentative , except perhaps on the optimism front, but you deserve credit for that, and for all your hard work, not crit... |
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19-03-2009, 10:43 AM |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| Sorry, I don't follow your logic. Unless QS estimating principles have suddenly gone into reverse, as I understand it ,its normally more expensive on a m2 basis to refurb than to build anything new, e... |
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19-03-2009, 01:06 PM |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| PS, As regards listening to the stakeholder group with an open mind, I'm not sure this particular group speaks with one voice, Nasaroc! |
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23-03-2009, 06:11 PM |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| To quote Nasaroc -''[i]Everybody who has been with me getting people to sign the petition think the same way and have ben explaining to people - "we don't want a pool in WW despite the extra cost and ... |
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23-03-2009, 11:03 PM |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| Whilst I respect all the passion and energy going into petitions and what not,the problem I still have, is , re-reading the original Council report to Cabinet, whilst there are so many questions beggi... |
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23-03-2009, 04:57 PM |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| PPS As far as I can see, the Mayors dilemmas , political standing, and of course, current employment status, will be more seriously affected if the pools are not delivered at all. The point seems to ... |
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23-03-2009, 06:35 PM |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| Michael, I don't actually think WW is a better site for the pool, however taking the town centre regen question out of the question, intrinsically its not necessarily a worse one. It also enables a ne... |
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24-03-2009, 11:32 AM |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| I believe I live in the real world. Come and join me there sometime. |
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02-04-2009, 05:53 PM |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| Quetta, I believe that the reasons why the business owners in Willow Way have not been consulted are because the consultation process has not started yet. As people on the stakeholder committee, an... |
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31-03-2009, 10:44 PM |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| PS. previous references to Beckenham Spas' popularity v the Bridge probably hits the nail on the head for me - I believe that the Spas popularity is largely due to its excellent and award winning faci... |
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31-03-2009, 10:56 PM |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| 4777 people signing despite their doubts. Must be some sort of record. |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| ...[i]'frankly extremely unpleasant volunteer who engaged me outside the station one day insisted that I should sign her petition even though I disagreed with her aims, her methods and almost everythi... |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| I think its amazing that people are getting up in the middle of the night to post; clearly its leading to some sleepless nights for some.
I hope everyone , including the petitioners and BI sellers ... |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| Sniffer, I suggest you read before you speed. I don't recall anywhere 'advocating' Willow Way - I am merely suggesting it is wise to wait for the consultation and to see which one is I am happy to con... |
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02-04-2009, 01:32 PM |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| If I was coming from the station with a pushchair, kids and heavy shopping I think I would go straight home first , not on to swimming... common sense, n'est-ce pas? Wouldn;t have the energy....
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09-04-2009, 05:25 PM |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| We've just received ours an hour or so ago so hopefully they are being delivered this afternoon. |
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26-04-2009, 02:18 PM |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| Brian, the Council needs to monitor ethnicity etc to ensure that it is reaching all parts of the community and that the responses are representative of all ethnic groups in the borough. It is a means... |
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27-04-2009, 03:19 PM |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| Its always struck me as a little odd that the school just along Dartmouth Road (and before WW) is called Sydenham Girls whilst the one tucked away near Sydenham is called Forest Hill boys, the latter ... |
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27-04-2009, 08:03 PM |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| I have also had rudeness and finger wagging from one woman when I said very politely that I did not agree with her inaccurate portrayal of Willow Way as being riddled with prostitutes and kerb crawle... |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| I do know a few people who have admitted to signing every petition presented to them and have signed paper copies as well as completed the one on line.
The other way of presenting this is as you s... |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| PS I do think childrens views are valid as much as they are in any public consultation however in this case the question is a little more abstract .However it would be useful to gauge how often child... |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| I'm not a statistical wizard but do know that interpretation is something that can be done very creatively. I would have thought that given that it is probably impossible for 82% of the local popula... |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| Misleading perhaps, which is why I said' significant proportion of'.
Plenty of quibbling going on already about the formal consultation process, Michael! If thats not over statistics and methodology ... |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| I find it hard to believe that trained survey companies are cold calling children and asking parents for information about how many kids of certain ages there are in each household. Only children ove... |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| [i]So well done all involved in responding the questionnaires and applying pressure to get to this outcome.[/i]
Indeed. However, in addition to the FHS and the Face Off Forest Hill peeps, every gro... |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| Before we all get excited the Mayor still has to make the decision on the day.
I suspect that this third option was in the frame all the time but for various political and associated reasons an ela... |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| I think we have to consider how things really work in local politics and how opposition has to be anticipated and tactics adopted accordingly. All politicians do it, some better than others, but from ... |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| Oh dear. Shall we revisit the old issue of the time and cost consequences of the inappropriately procured listing of Louise House on this matter?
No doubt, Nasaroc, regardless of whether or not the ... |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| I've never seen Jeff Lowe on a horse of any hue.
Michael, are you standing for office? I must be years behind with the news. |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| Davehel52, I haven't the first clue what you are talking about, and I sincerely hope that the mystique continues for some time, as ignorance in this case is probably bliss. |
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