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Thread: Footpath to Forest hill station
Post: Footpath to Forest hill station
| While walking towards the Waldram Park Road bridge this afternoon I was surprised and delighted to see this:
[img]http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2023/2281593431_c93df07022.jpg[/img]
It is between ... |
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21-02-2008, 09:37 PM |
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Thread: Listed buildings
Post: Listed buildings
| I was delighted to learn that English Heritage recently decided that both Fairlawn School, Honor Oak Road, and High Street Buildings, Kirkdale be listed Grade II.
It is not easy find details of li... |
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11-05-2008, 12:56 AM |
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Thread: "Shelter 100 yards" on FH wall
Post: RE: A question for the historians amongst us
| I've been told that it was directly across London Road, where Sainsbury's carpark now is. It was accessible by a footpath roughly where the modern one runs alongside Sainsbury's. At the time the carpa... |
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stevegrindlay |
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28-03-2008, 03:53 PM |
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Thread: Arthur Dorrell
Post: RE: Arthur Dorrell
| Jad Adams, who still lives in one of the Dorrell buildings, wrote an excellent book called "A History of Kings & Princes Garth", published in 1993. You may have seen a copy in the Lewisham Local Histo... |
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stevegrindlay |
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13-11-2009, 09:43 PM |
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Thread: Beadnell Road demolition
Post: RE: Beadnell Road demolition
| It was a church, hoppy, but when built in 1901 it was The Forest Hill Creche. It became the Forest Hill Christian Spiritual Church by 1925 until sometime after WW2.
It's still a fairly nice hall, a... |
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18-07-2008, 11:40 PM |
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Thread: Betty Swanwick
Post: RE: Betty Swanwick
| Here's a bit more information on Betty Swanwick:
She was the daughter of Henry Gerard Swanwick, born Ada Elizabeth Edith on 22/5/1915 in Colfe Road, Forest Hill. She attended Prendergast School and... |
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stevegrindlay |
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22-11-2016, 11:35 AM |
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Thread: Bubbles Apostrophe
Post: RE: Bubbles Apostrophe
| [quote=thenutfield]
a local one that always drives me nuts is 'The Two Halve's' pub in Sydenham High Street, aaagh
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It's worse than that. The pub is actually called "THE TWO HALF'S". At ... |
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Thread: Camille Pissarro's Paintings of Forest Hill
Post: RE: Camille Pissarro's paintings of Forest Hill
| The original is on display at the Courtauld Institute Galleries in the Strand; I imagine you could buy a copy from them. |
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stevegrindlay |
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20-12-2008, 03:24 PM |
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Thread: Cobb's Sydenham
Post: RE: Cobb's Sydenham
| Cobb's began trading in 1861 and finally closed down in 1981. |
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stevegrindlay |
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25-04-2008, 06:05 PM |
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Thread: Cobb's Sydenham
Post: RE: Cobb's Sydenham
| You're right, BD, Penge Papers has a whole chapter on what the author, Brian Wright, calls "Chubb's". It is a delightful description of the department store in its declining years. And, according to t... |
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stevegrindlay |
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25-04-2008, 10:44 PM |
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Thread: Corbett Houses in Forest Hill
Post: RE: Corbett Houses in Forest Hill
| I don't think they can be "Corbett" houses, Roz. There is a fairly detailed study of his work and it makes no mention of houses in Forest Hill. A. Cameron Corbett (as he's usually known) was a builder... |
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stevegrindlay |
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01-07-2009, 10:08 PM |
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Thread: History of Bovill Road Area
Post: RE: Corbett Houses in Forest Hill
| I can't say much about Garthorne Road, hoppy, other than it was built about 1903-1905.
Bovill Road is a bit more interesting. The oldest part is round the General Napier with nos.53-63 and the terr... |
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stevegrindlay |
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09-07-2009, 08:04 PM |
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Thread: History of Bovill Road Area
Post: RE: Corbett Houses in Forest Hill
| [quote=jon14]The houses at the top of Bovill on Garthorne are different from the rest. Was that bomb damage?[/quote]
It was bomb damage. This extract from the bomb damage maps shows that the houses w... |
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stevegrindlay |
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10-07-2009, 08:32 PM |
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Thread: Phoenix Works Building Site, Bird in Hand Mews
Post: RE: Crane collapse: Phoenix Works
| This is apparently still an issue, as the Contract Journal reports [url=http://www.contractjournal.com/Articles/2008/02/15/57796/forest+hill+crane+dismantling+-+latest+from+site+photo.html]<here>[/url... |
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15-02-2008, 11:45 PM |
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Thread: Crystal Halls
Post: RE: Crystal Halls on Perry vale
| That would be the Glenlyn. According to Mel Wright, in his book [i]Rock Around Lewisham[/i] (1990) not only the Stones performed there (in Summer 1963) but also The Animals, Yardbirds, The Moody Blues... |
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stevegrindlay |
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04-04-2008, 11:31 AM |
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Thread: Eccentric Forest Hill
Post: RE: Eccentric Forest Hill
| [quote=baggydave]
Can Steve Grindlay remind us of who the gent was who posted himself. Perhaps that would inspire some imagination elsewhere
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Perryman's right, he was W Reginald Bray. Th... |
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24-04-2008, 09:55 PM |
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Thread: Favourite SE23 Google Map Picture
Post: RE: Favourite SE23 Google Map Picture
| What could have been happening in Fairlie Gardens to have led to [url=http://local.google.co.uk/?ie=UTF8&ll=51.446946,-0.05197&spn=0,359.961376&z=15&layer=c&cbll=51.447031,-0.05195&panoid=TgYG3bRl9iHR... |
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23-03-2009, 04:35 PM |
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Thread: Footpath to Forest hill station
Post: RE: Footpath to Forest hill station
| This extract from the 1914 OS map shows the position of the steps:
[img]http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3013/2285193555_a1b93e678d.jpg[/img]
They are at the top centre, beneath "S.Ps" (I think that s... |
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23-02-2008, 02:31 PM |
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Thread: Footpath to Forest hill station
Post: RE: Footpath to Forest hill station
| This is another view of the downside booking hall:
[img]http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3007/2327080638_256e2be391.jpg[/img]
It is in front of the surviving steps down to Perry Vale and was, as Wil... |
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11-03-2008, 05:11 PM |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pool
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool
| [quote=PSJarrett]
...Perhaps someone (Steve Grindlay??) could be commissioned to write a history of the site...[/quote]
I did write a brief history of the pools some years, ago, uploaded [url=http:/... |
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12-02-2008, 12:48 PM |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| As the campaign for [url=http://www.gopetition.com/online/19745.html][u]"No demolition without designs"[/u][/url] gathers momentum perhaps some historical background might be useful (with apologies to... |
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stevegrindlay |
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07-06-2008, 02:34 PM |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| [quote="Les"] ...major developments take years through public consultation and enquiry e.g Thameslink '2000', Peckham-Camden tram, Crossrail[/quote]
It is rather disingenuous to compare these complex... |
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stevegrindlay |
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20-07-2008, 09:50 PM |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| I'm just off to do a stint in the station car-park, behind the public loos, with a petition that says:
[quote]We, the undersigned, reject options 1, 2 and 3 of the Council's proposed designs. We wish... |
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stevegrindlay |
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19-07-2008, 09:29 AM |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| [quote="Jacksprat"]Can someone explain what is so wonderful about the pool building, other than the fact that it's old and Victorian?[/quote]
I have tried, both in this forum and elsewhere. Clearly I... |
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stevegrindlay |
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19-07-2008, 03:26 PM |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| [quote="Les"]...my point is that the existing building doesn't warrant compromising the new one, and English Heritage agrees.[/quote]
That's really not so, Les. EH visited the pools on 13 April 2005,... |
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stevegrindlay |
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21-07-2008, 08:14 PM |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| This is becoming rather boring , Les. When I used that quote I did so to make the point that although the building did not meet the criteria for listing, the inspectors still found it an interesting a... |
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stevegrindlay |
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23-07-2008, 07:34 AM |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| [quote="NewForester"]There was a report by EPTa Architects at the Consultation on the feasibility of converting Louise House and the Superintendants' building[/quote]
That is correct. Its conclusions... |
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stevegrindlay |
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24-07-2008, 06:03 AM |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| It does seem like the perfect solution. Only problem is...who owns the car park? Originally it was railway sidings. |
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24-07-2008, 12:18 PM |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| That is a bizarre, verbose and ill-informed response from both Roz and Robwinton. Until you have read all 12 pages of the EH and DCMS report I feel you would be wise to reserve judgement.
It is a p... |
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stevegrindlay |
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20-08-2008, 10:54 PM |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| I'm not sure detailed results were published but, in the Mayor's own words, the 2006 consultation's results: "didn't show an overwhelming consensus for either the refurbishment or the rebuilding optio... |
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stevegrindlay |
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22-08-2008, 03:13 PM |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| I much prefer to deal with facts, and roz has finally come up with one:
[quote="roz"]Ultimately, the action taken to have Louise House listed by the 19th Century Society has its roots in vexation not... |
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stevegrindlay |
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24-08-2008, 01:55 PM |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| [quote="ros"]Some ... members of a local amenity society ... appear to have been proactive in disrupting the process by using effectively privileged knowledge[/quote]
If it is a fact, I'm sure you ... |
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24-08-2008, 05:17 PM |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| Maybe, except the reservoir was in Sydenham.
The Willow Way pools proposed in option 3 would be little more than 10 yards from the reservoir bank, so I suppose that would bring swimming in the area... |
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24-02-2009, 08:04 PM |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| [quote="Foresters"]...Unfortunately, it seems that Willow Way is just in the Forest Hill Ward...[/quote]
That has only been true for a few years (since 2002, I think). Until then Willow Way was in Sy... |
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27-02-2009, 06:33 PM |
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Thread: Louise House
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| Are you seriously suggesting, Roz, that a film made in 2002, dealing with a Catholic institution in Ireland, is a better source of information about Louise House, a non-secular institution, than the s... |
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09-03-2009, 08:59 PM |
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Thread: Louise House
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| When Roz asked for evidence to support sniffer's claim that "Louise House was built for the training of orphaned and impoverished girls to improve their chances of earning a respectable living as inde... |
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10-03-2009, 06:36 PM |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| [quote="first Baboonery"]Just like SFFH skewed its consultation in in [sic] favour of retaining the old building...[/quote]
How, exactly, was it skewed? First, it was not a consultation, just a petit... |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| Baboonery, the passage of time appears to have done little to soften the memory of an encounter you first told us about in September last year (Post: [url=http://www.se23.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=... |
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09-04-2009, 12:16 PM |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| I'm glad to hear it , Brian.
I find the suggestions that petitioners have been pressurising people to sign, and in particular the description of one of them as "extremely unpleasant", rather offens... |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| I would just like to point out, davhel52, that the group actively involved with the KSFH campaign has a significant number of labour party supporters and maybe even a Tory or two. Our personal politic... |
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Thread: The History of Forest Hill
Post: RE: History of Forest Hill - 30 Jan at 7pm
| I hope no-one thinks I am trying to bump this thread, but I would like to add that Honor Oak is included, not least because I have strong personal links with the area.
Rob mentioned most of the the... |
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18-01-2008, 07:17 PM |
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Thread: Horniman Triangle Play Park
Post: RE: Horniman Triangle Play Park SE23
| Can't resist the opportunity for a bit of history...
During and immediately after the war the triangle was a smallholding, with chickens and geese. There was a cottage at the top, near the Sydenham... |
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24-06-2008, 08:00 PM |
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Thread: Horniman Triangle Play Park
Post: RE: Horniman Triangle Play Park SE23
| [quote="scipio"]Did Lady Allen of Hurtwood, early advocate of these facilities for children, become involved in the development of this old meadow through an introduction by one of the Trustees?[/quot... |
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26-06-2008, 06:03 PM |
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Thread: Land Registry Fraud
Post: RE: Land Registry Fraud
| I understand that it is only the deeds relating to current ownership (and perhaps the transfer from the previous owner to the current owner) of a particular property that have legal significance.
F... |
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Thread: Lionel Jeffries
Post: RE: Lionel Jeffries
| He was born in Forest Hill, at a maternity home run by two midwives at 77 Sunderland Road. However his parents Bernard (a Salvation Army officer) and Elsie were living at 1 Hansler Road, East Dulwich ... |
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Thread: Listed buildings
Post: RE: Listed buildings
| [quote=Elizabeth25]
Isn't the Perry Vale Fire Station in Forest Hill? Or am I thinking of the wrong building? I think all of Perry Vale is SE23. When it hits Sydenham isn't it Perry Rise?
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Thread: Local history question
Post: RE: Local history question
| Several people have drawn my attention to this thread (one of them even gently chiding me for not having updated my blog for some years) so I felt I should post something.
In 1843 the plot bounded t... |
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Thread: Louise House
Post: RE: Louise House
| You are correct, Michael. Louise House ceased to be a Girls' Home in the mid-1930s (the word "Industrial" was abandoned a little earlier, in about 1929, when it was carefully chipped from the facade).... |
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Thread: Louise House
Post: RE: Louise House
| I remember her too. My recollection (which carries no more weight than anyone else's) was that she was angry and rather confused. If she heard this conversation when she was 10 years old and it occure... |
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Thread: Louise House
Post: RE: Louise House
| [quote="Rox"]No one mentioned appealing the listing. You can, according to DCSM advice apply to de- list a building and the stronger the community voice and rationale, the better. [/quote]
Where on e... |
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