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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| I much prefer to deal with facts, and roz has finally come up with one:
[quote="roz"]Ultimately, the action taken to have Louise House listed by the 19th Century Society has its roots in vexation not... |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| I'm not sure detailed results were published but, in the Mayor's own words, the 2006 consultation's results: "didn't show an overwhelming consensus for either the refurbishment or the rebuilding optio... |
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22-08-2008, 03:13 PM |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| That is a bizarre, verbose and ill-informed response from both Roz and Robwinton. Until you have read all 12 pages of the EH and DCMS report I feel you would be wise to reserve judgement.
It is a p... |
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stevegrindlay |
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20-08-2008, 10:54 PM |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| It does seem like the perfect solution. Only problem is...who owns the car park? Originally it was railway sidings. |
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stevegrindlay |
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24-07-2008, 12:18 PM |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| [quote="NewForester"]There was a report by EPTa Architects at the Consultation on the feasibility of converting Louise House and the Superintendants' building[/quote]
That is correct. Its conclusions... |
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stevegrindlay |
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24-07-2008, 06:03 AM |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| This is becoming rather boring , Les. When I used that quote I did so to make the point that although the building did not meet the criteria for listing, the inspectors still found it an interesting a... |
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stevegrindlay |
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23-07-2008, 07:34 AM |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| [quote="Les"]...my point is that the existing building doesn't warrant compromising the new one, and English Heritage agrees.[/quote]
That's really not so, Les. EH visited the pools on 13 April 2005,... |
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stevegrindlay |
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21-07-2008, 08:14 PM |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| [quote="Les"] ...major developments take years through public consultation and enquiry e.g Thameslink '2000', Peckham-Camden tram, Crossrail[/quote]
It is rather disingenuous to compare these complex... |
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stevegrindlay |
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20-07-2008, 09:50 PM |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| [quote="Jacksprat"]Can someone explain what is so wonderful about the pool building, other than the fact that it's old and Victorian?[/quote]
I have tried, both in this forum and elsewhere. Clearly I... |
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stevegrindlay |
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19-07-2008, 03:26 PM |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| I'm just off to do a stint in the station car-park, behind the public loos, with a petition that says:
[quote]We, the undersigned, reject options 1, 2 and 3 of the Council's proposed designs. We wish... |
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stevegrindlay |
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19-07-2008, 09:29 AM |
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Thread: Beadnell Road demolition
Post: RE: Beadnell Road demolition
| It was a church, hoppy, but when built in 1901 it was The Forest Hill Creche. It became the Forest Hill Christian Spiritual Church by 1925 until sometime after WW2.
It's still a fairly nice hall, a... |
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18-07-2008, 11:40 PM |
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Thread: Horniman Triangle Play Park
Post: RE: Horniman Triangle Play Park SE23
| [quote="scipio"]Did Lady Allen of Hurtwood, early advocate of these facilities for children, become involved in the development of this old meadow through an introduction by one of the Trustees?[/quot... |
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stevegrindlay |
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26-06-2008, 06:03 PM |
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Thread: Horniman Triangle Play Park
Post: RE: Horniman Triangle Play Park SE23
| Can't resist the opportunity for a bit of history...
During and immediately after the war the triangle was a smallholding, with chickens and geese. There was a cottage at the top, near the Sydenham... |
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stevegrindlay |
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24-06-2008, 08:00 PM |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| As the campaign for [url=http://www.gopetition.com/online/19745.html][u]"No demolition without designs"[/u][/url] gathers momentum perhaps some historical background might be useful (with apologies to... |
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stevegrindlay |
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07-06-2008, 02:34 PM |
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Thread: Listed buildings
Post: RE: Listed buildings
| [quote=Elizabeth25]
Isn't the Perry Vale Fire Station in Forest Hill? Or am I thinking of the wrong building? I think all of Perry Vale is SE23. When it hits Sydenham isn't it Perry Rise?
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stevegrindlay |
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11-05-2008, 10:26 AM |
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Thread: Listed buildings
Post: Listed buildings
| I was delighted to learn that English Heritage recently decided that both Fairlawn School, Honor Oak Road, and High Street Buildings, Kirkdale be listed Grade II.
It is not easy find details of li... |
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11-05-2008, 12:56 AM |
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Thread: Sexist comment?
Post: RE: Sexist comment?
| [quote=hilltopgeneral]
...Urban Dictionary has this listed as the last (therefore least favoured) meaning...
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In the interests of accuracy, it was actually the third of five definitions. |
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08-05-2008, 10:11 PM |
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Thread: Sexist comment?
Post: RE: Sexist comment?
| I'm grateful to Michael for explaining that the phrase "girl...really hot" means that the young woman had a temperature, but then I was puzzled by the phrase "get over yourself".
Finally I resorted... |
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08-05-2008, 05:16 PM |
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Thread: Mayow Park
Post: RE: Mayow Park
| The boundary doesn't seem to be that well defined through the park, and it depends on which source you use. This is how it appears on one of my maps:
[img]http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3047/24708510... |
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06-05-2008, 07:15 PM |
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Thread: Mayow Park
Post: RE: Mayow Park
| [quote]where was the park keeper?[/quote]A quaint notion. There hasn't been a park keeper in Mayow Park for perhaps 40 years; they even demolished his house some 10 years ago. Glendale is responsible ... |
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06-05-2008, 02:13 PM |
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Thread: Cobb's Sydenham
Post: RE: Cobb's Sydenham
| You're right, BD, Penge Papers has a whole chapter on what the author, Brian Wright, calls "Chubb's". It is a delightful description of the department store in its declining years. And, according to t... |
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25-04-2008, 10:44 PM |
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Thread: Cobb's Sydenham
Post: RE: Cobb's Sydenham
| Cobb's began trading in 1861 and finally closed down in 1981. |
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25-04-2008, 06:05 PM |
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Thread: Eccentric Forest Hill
Post: RE: Eccentric Forest Hill
| [quote=baggydave]
Can Steve Grindlay remind us of who the gent was who posted himself. Perhaps that would inspire some imagination elsewhere
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Perryman's right, he was W Reginald Bray. Th... |
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24-04-2008, 09:55 PM |
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Thread: May mayoral election
Post: RE: May mayoral election
| [quote=roz]I'm voting for Ken as there is no one else standing who loves, lives and breathes London the way he does[/quote]
Roz, after disagreements over the Greyhound and Forest Hill Pools I'm delig... |
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20-04-2008, 09:08 PM |
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Thread: Crystal Halls
Post: RE: Crystal Halls on Perry vale
| That would be the Glenlyn. According to Mel Wright, in his book [i]Rock Around Lewisham[/i] (1990) not only the Stones performed there (in Summer 1963) but also The Animals, Yardbirds, The Moody Blues... |
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04-04-2008, 11:31 AM |
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Thread: "Shelter 100 yards" on FH wall
Post: RE: A question for the historians amongst us
| I've been told that it was directly across London Road, where Sainsbury's carpark now is. It was accessible by a footpath roughly where the modern one runs alongside Sainsbury's. At the time the carpa... |
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28-03-2008, 03:53 PM |
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Thread: Save Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Save Forest Hill Pools
| [quote="Tim Walder"]It is perfectly possible to keep the Victorian facade and build excellent new pools behind it. Have the best of both worlds. If you look at Steve Grindlay's plans it is obvious tha... |
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17-03-2008, 11:19 PM |
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Thread: Save Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Save Forest Hill Pools
| I've just uploaded some slides from a talk I gave recently that mentioned the [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/stevegrindlay/sets/72157604128052646/][u]<Forest Hill pools>[/u][/url] and related build... |
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17-03-2008, 12:03 AM |
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Thread: Save Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Save Forest Hill Pools
| Roz, you've clearly studied the site and building in some detail so can you explain how it differs from the Kentish Town baths, designed by the same architect as the Forest Hill pools in 1900. There i... |
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13-03-2008, 01:01 AM |
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Thread: Save Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Save Forest Hill Pools
| There have been several disparaging remarks about the architectural merits the pools, both here and elsewhere. They were not listed when an application was made to English Heritage in 2006 but I thoug... |
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12-03-2008, 10:47 AM |
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Thread: Footpath to Forest hill station
Post: RE: Footpath to Forest hill station
| This is another view of the downside booking hall:
[img]http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3007/2327080638_256e2be391.jpg[/img]
It is in front of the surviving steps down to Perry Vale and was, as Wil... |
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11-03-2008, 05:11 PM |
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Thread: The Mick Jagger of SE23.com
Post: RE: The Mick Jagger of SE23.com
| Thank you, Forestgump. Modesty, and embarrassment, forbade me from commenting.
I must apologise to the FH Soc. In the opening reference to the Hob talk the FH Soc should have been credited with org... |
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25-02-2008, 11:02 AM |
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Thread: 101-103 Perry Vale
Post: RE: on the up in Perry Vale
| I take it you are referring to 101 and 103 Perry Vale. They are both listed grade II buildings, of about 1843. It is good to know that something is being done to 101, which has been sorely neglected f... |
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24-02-2008, 01:55 AM |
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Thread: Perystreete
Post: RE: Perystreete
| Ridiculous! It ceased to be Perystrete maybe two centuries ago (it was definitely Perry Vale by 1843). The block of flats that thenutfield refers to was simply the result of someone plucking a nostalg... |
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24-02-2008, 01:42 AM |
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Thread: Footpath to Forest hill station
Post: RE: Footpath to Forest hill station
| This extract from the 1914 OS map shows the position of the steps:
[img]http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3013/2285193555_a1b93e678d.jpg[/img]
They are at the top centre, beneath "S.Ps" (I think that s... |
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23-02-2008, 02:31 PM |
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Thread: Footpath to Forest hill station
Post: Footpath to Forest hill station
| While walking towards the Waldram Park Road bridge this afternoon I was surprised and delighted to see this:
[img]http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2023/2281593431_c93df07022.jpg[/img]
It is between ... |
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21-02-2008, 09:37 PM |
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Thread: Stanstead lodge tree felling/preservation order
Post: RE: Stanstead lodge tree felling/preservation orde...
| [quote=MPC]Anyway, good to see the Lodge itself (The former mayors residence) is being restored with lottery funding and the help of heritage for London.[/quote]
I'm not sure any mayors have lived ... |
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21-02-2008, 12:41 PM |
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Thread: Phoenix Works Building Site, Bird in Hand Mews
Post: RE: Crane collapse: Phoenix Works
| This is apparently still an issue, as the Contract Journal reports [url=http://www.contractjournal.com/Articles/2008/02/15/57796/forest+hill+crane+dismantling+-+latest+from+site+photo.html]<here>[/url... |
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15-02-2008, 11:45 PM |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pool
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool
| [quote=PSJarrett]
...Perhaps someone (Steve Grindlay??) could be commissioned to write a history of the site...[/quote]
I did write a brief history of the pools some years, ago, uploaded [url=http:/... |
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12-02-2008, 12:48 PM |
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Thread: Where am I?
Post: RE: Where am I?
| You're right, that map specifically shows parish boundaries, useful and interesting historically as they were used as the basis for administrative areas. However, less useful in the 21st century as th... |
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03-02-2008, 06:37 PM |
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Thread: The History Of Forest Hill Station
Post: RE: The History Of Forest Hill Station
| [quote=grahamw]
What an amazing building - anyone know what happened to it?
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The station was severely damaged by bombing in 1944. The building was patched-up and continued in use until 1972... |
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01-02-2008, 06:31 PM |
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Thread: The History Of Forest Hill Station
Post: RE: The History Of Forest Hill Station
| I've uploaded a selection of pictures of the station to Flickr, which you can see [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/stevegrindlay/sets/72157603830876662/]<here>[/url]. There are many others, but they ... |
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01-02-2008, 06:12 PM |
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Thread: Where am I?
Post: RE: Where am I?
| You live in London (GLA), Lewisham (London Borough of), a parish (St Augustine, Christ Church or whatever) and a postal district (SE23 which, I believe, is still technically called Forest Hill). You a... |
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24-01-2008, 11:09 PM |
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Thread: Savacentre
Post: RE: Savacentre
| [quote=Sherwood]
Does anyone know why there are signs at the Savacentre saying "Business as usual"?
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Because they are doing quite a lot of building work on the site; apparently extending ... |
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22-01-2008, 08:41 PM |
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Thread: town centre manager
Post: RE: town centre manager
| The leaflet referred to here:
http://se23.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=369
was produced by the town centre manager. She did similar leaflets for the other town centres that come under her remit. |
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Thread: The History of Forest Hill
Post: RE: History of Forest Hill - 30 Jan at 7pm
| I hope no-one thinks I am trying to bump this thread, but I would like to add that Honor Oak is included, not least because I have strong personal links with the area.
Rob mentioned most of the the... |
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Thread: Conservation Area
Post: RE: Time for a new conservation area in SE23?
| That's more like it, Rob. Thanks for getting me off the hook.
Borderpaul, the Christmas houses in Thorpewood Avenue are actually in SE26. They, and other buildings in the vicinity, could be added t... |
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Thread: Conservation Area
Post: RE: Time for a new conservation area in SE23?
| Oh dear... please ignore my plan. It is out of date. I really should have checked. Michael's link shows the current state of the FH conservation area, which includes Havelock Walk and extends along Lo... |
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Thread: Conservation Area
Post: RE: Time for a new conservation area in SE23?
| Forest Hill is fortunate in having a fairly extensive conservation area. The boundaries are outlined in red on this map (from Lewisham's UDP):
[img]http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2239/2131174811_2e98... |
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Thread: Where am I??
Post: RE: Where am I??
| As an early settlement Perry Vale wins hands-down, but you have to go back to a time when it was called "Perry Slough", which translates as "a muddy place where pear trees grow". The first recorded me... |
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